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Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:29 am to FincAg11
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:29 am to FincAg11
Our offense kept putting our defense in horrible position with turnovers ... and the turnovers were often on passing plays. Sherm didn't know how to run to protect a lead to save his life.
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Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:29 am to Greg09Ag
Modern Day Aggie Story = LOST. 
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:31 am to Smoke Ring
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Sherm didn't know how to run to protect a lead to save his life.
It's not that he didn't know, it's that he was too god damn stubborn. We had arguably the second-best RB duo in the nation last year and we threw it more than we ran it by about 55-45 or more. Absolutely inexcusable.
If Nick Saban were coaching that team, we win at least 10 games.
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 10:32 am
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:40 am to FincAg11
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I know a lot of Ags will disagree with me, but I honestly don't think so. Nor should he have. It's hard to ignore a 4 game swing because you consistently only play one half of football.
This is what I assumed and I also agree with it. But I know that the "higher ups" often have different views than the fans, especially when it comes to a hated rival.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 10:47 am to Jefferson Davis
I think if Sherman had beaten t.u. then he would've gotten one season in the SEC. We'd have been in trouble then, because I don't know how expectations would have changed for him had we kept him for SEC yr.-1 and could have been stuck with him for a couple more too.
That said, I liked Sherman a lot and really loved watching his Offenses play. But I do think Sumlin is the "college coach" we need with the personality and all the right tools for recruiting with the best. Happy with how it turned out. Maybe we needed all those collapses so it would be bad enough to get rid of Sherm, make the SEC move, and then hire the right coach to go along with it. We shall see over the next few seasons.
That said, I liked Sherman a lot and really loved watching his Offenses play. But I do think Sumlin is the "college coach" we need with the personality and all the right tools for recruiting with the best. Happy with how it turned out. Maybe we needed all those collapses so it would be bad enough to get rid of Sherm, make the SEC move, and then hire the right coach to go along with it. We shall see over the next few seasons.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 11:05 am to FincAg11
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It's not that he didn't know, it's that he was too god damn stubborn. We had arguably the second-best RB duo in the nation last year and we threw it more than we ran it by about 55-45 or more. Absolutely inexcusable.
I don't think it was so much about how much he called passing plays but rather WHEN he called them.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 11:25 am to Dr RC
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I don't think it was so much about how much he called passing plays but rather WHEN he called them.
BINGO.
This 1,000X. This.
Paw Paw would come out after the half with a double-digit lead and throw 3 and out. The he'd get scored on, get the ball back, and do it AGAIN!
That's when you rely on the RBs who got you 200 yards rushing in the first half, homie! If the offense sputters because you ran it too much, oh well, at least it would have burned 5 minutes of clock instead of 5 seconds!
Sherm just couldn't protect a College Football lead to save his life (almost literally - his job was on the line and EVERYONE was screaming at him to run in the second halves of games and he just refused like the stubborn old ox he is).
I still contend that team we had last year was darn good. We didn't get just beat by anyone. We lead almost everyone for large portions of the games. We got beat by Sherman. That's why he was fired. It was obvious that we had a coach taking us OUT of contention with HIS decisions when victory was RIGHT THERE.
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 11:28 am
Posted on 7/26/12 at 11:28 am to Cooter Davenport
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I don't think it was so much about how much he called passing plays but rather WHEN he called them.
And then it was usually a 7-10 yd comeback route
Posted on 7/26/12 at 11:34 am to DFWAggie09
If Sherm would have let someone else call plays, anyone else, we play in a BCS Bowl game. The irony is, if Franchione was our second half offensive coordinator last year, and sherman our first...we go 12-1 lol
Posted on 7/26/12 at 11:38 am to FincAg11
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If Nick Saban were coaching that team, we win at least 10 games.
If Houston Nutt was coaching that team, we'd have won 10 games. Heck, if MIKE SHERMAN was coahing that team BUT had hired an OC like he was asked to, we would have won 10 games.
All he had to do was get out of his own way.
Sherman is a good person, and I've got no ill-will towards the guy - I hope his life continues to be awesome.
BUT, he ain't the saint some of his worshippers among our fanbase made him out to be. Stubborness and excessive pride are big character flaws, and he has those in spades.
He was begged before last season to get an OC and he refused. It's not that he's dumb, he's too smart. He couldn't see the forest for the trees, which is WHY teams have an OC in the booth.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:01 pm to Cooter Davenport
The trend during the season wasn't just present during the losses either:
Game 1 (SMU)
End of 1st: 20-7
End of 2nd: 33-14
End of 3rd: 43-14
Final: 46-14
Game 2 (Idaho)
End of 1st: 7-0
End of 2nd: 27-0
End of 3rd: 37-0
Final: 37-7
Game 3 (Oklahoma State)
End of 1st: 10-3
End of 2nd: 20-3
End of 3rd: 20-24
Final: 29-30
Game 4 (Arkansas)
End of 1st: 14-7
End of 2nd: 35-17
End of 3rd: 35-27
Final 38-42
Game 5 (Texas Tech)
End of 1st: 10-7
End of 2nd: 31-20
End of 3rd: 38-30
Final: 45-40
Had Frederick not returned the blocked FG for a TD, A&M loses that game.
Game 6 (Baylor)
End of 1st: 3-7
End of 2nd: 24-14
End of 3rd: 41-28
Final: 55-28
Game 7 (Iowa State)
End of 1st: 3-7
End of 2nd: 20-7
End of 3rd: 30-17
End of 4th: 33-17
Never put them away
Game 8 (Missouri)
End of 1st: 7-14
End of 2nd: 28-17
End of 3rd: 28-17
End of 4th: 31-31
Final: 31-38
Game 9 (Oklahoma)
End of 1st: 3-7
End of 2nd: 10-13
End of 3rd: 10-41
Final: 25-41
Scored 2 TDs in garbage time
Game 10 (Kansas State)
End of 1st: 0-0
End of 2nd: 14-14
End of 3rd: 21-14
End of 4th: 31-31
Final: 50-53
A&M blew a 10 point lead with 6 minutes left.
Game 11 (Kansas)
End of 1st: 23-0
End of 2nd: 44-0
End of 3rd: 61-0
End of 4th: 61-7
Sumlin might have scored 100+ were he head coach.
Game 12 (Texas)
End of 1st: 10-0
End of 2nd: 16-7
End of 3rd: 16-24
Final: 25-27
Forget the screw job, how about not getting outscored 17-0 in the 3rd??!!
Bowl Game (Northwestern)
End of 1st: 3-0
End of 2nd: 20-7
End of 3rd: 30-7
Final: 33-22
DeRuyter tried to follow the Sherman plan, nearly blowing a 23-point fourth quarter lead.
Game 1 (SMU)
End of 1st: 20-7
End of 2nd: 33-14
End of 3rd: 43-14
Final: 46-14
Game 2 (Idaho)
End of 1st: 7-0
End of 2nd: 27-0
End of 3rd: 37-0
Final: 37-7
Game 3 (Oklahoma State)
End of 1st: 10-3
End of 2nd: 20-3
End of 3rd: 20-24
Final: 29-30
Game 4 (Arkansas)
End of 1st: 14-7
End of 2nd: 35-17
End of 3rd: 35-27
Final 38-42
Game 5 (Texas Tech)
End of 1st: 10-7
End of 2nd: 31-20
End of 3rd: 38-30
Final: 45-40
Had Frederick not returned the blocked FG for a TD, A&M loses that game.
Game 6 (Baylor)
End of 1st: 3-7
End of 2nd: 24-14
End of 3rd: 41-28
Final: 55-28
Game 7 (Iowa State)
End of 1st: 3-7
End of 2nd: 20-7
End of 3rd: 30-17
End of 4th: 33-17
Never put them away
Game 8 (Missouri)
End of 1st: 7-14
End of 2nd: 28-17
End of 3rd: 28-17
End of 4th: 31-31
Final: 31-38
Game 9 (Oklahoma)
End of 1st: 3-7
End of 2nd: 10-13
End of 3rd: 10-41
Final: 25-41
Scored 2 TDs in garbage time
Game 10 (Kansas State)
End of 1st: 0-0
End of 2nd: 14-14
End of 3rd: 21-14
End of 4th: 31-31
Final: 50-53
A&M blew a 10 point lead with 6 minutes left.
Game 11 (Kansas)
End of 1st: 23-0
End of 2nd: 44-0
End of 3rd: 61-0
End of 4th: 61-7
Sumlin might have scored 100+ were he head coach.
Game 12 (Texas)
End of 1st: 10-0
End of 2nd: 16-7
End of 3rd: 16-24
Final: 25-27
Forget the screw job, how about not getting outscored 17-0 in the 3rd??!!
Bowl Game (Northwestern)
End of 1st: 3-0
End of 2nd: 20-7
End of 3rd: 30-7
Final: 33-22
DeRuyter tried to follow the Sherman plan, nearly blowing a 23-point fourth quarter lead.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:06 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
That's all I can do when we pull these kind of stats out from last year.
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:18 pm to DFWAggie09
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And then it was usually a 7-10 yd comeback route
which almost always targeted a blatantly injured Jeff Fuller.
Kind of like how he kept Jerrod Johnson in for half a season even though it was painfully clear there was something wrong with his arm.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:51 pm to Jefferson Davis
I think the Missouri loss had more to do with his firing than either Oklahoma State or Arkansas. He lost to Missouri again....at Kyle....in OT. That's not a knock on Missouri, but we had a much more talented team and a pretty fricking good home-field advantage. None of these teams, or the fairies from Austin, were more responsible for Sherman's ultimate undoing than the complete shite Sherman pooped out in Norman. The loss the the fairies just sped up his firing.
Oklahoma State was very disappointing, but not the nail in Sherman's coffin. It looked like Okie Lite was a really good team (which they were) but simply had a bad first half. See the 21 unanswered 3rd quarter points.
1 2 3 4 T
#7 OKST 3 0 21 6 30
#8 TA&M 10 10 0 9 29
Arkie was also disappointing, but a very competitive game against a very good team. Arkie scored 25 second-half points to A&M's 3. Not the final nail in his coffin again, but this is 2 weeks in a row. There were probably some grumblings within the admin.
1 2 3 4 T
#14 TA&M 14 21 0 3 38
#18 ARK 7 10 10 15 42
Missouri was not a bad team, but this game was a huge egg. We had a more talented team and one of the best home-field advantages in college football, and Sherm STILL couldn't hold it together. Even this dumpster fire of a game was not his undoing in my opinion.
MIZZ 14 3 0 14 7 38
#16 TA&M 7 21 0 3 0 31
It was the 28 3rd quarter points we gave up to a decent team that we were handling pretty well in the first half. This, in my opinion, was the evidence the admin needed to make a decision. It wasn't even the final score that killed him. He could have lost this game and still kept his job. That 3rd quarter beatdown unequivocally proved the trend and cost Sherman his job IMO. The prior losses only acted to confirm the trend. He may have been allowed to coach the first year in the SEC, but they would have replaced him after the first year, knowing he would struggle. that would have provided the excuse they needed. I think they wanted to keep him for the transition to the SEC and can his arse after the first year.
1 2 3 4 T
TA&M 3 7 0 15 25
#6 OKLA 7 6 28 0 41
When a fairly shitty Kansas State did the exact same cocksucking, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-arse, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shite, it did nothing more than get pretty much everyone behind a change. I still think they wanted to keep him on to transition to the SEC for the first year.
1 2 3 4 4OT T
TA&M 0 14 7 10 19 50
#14 KSU 0 14 0 17 22 53
The loss to the fairies from Austin IN THE SAME frickING FASHION hurried his departure a year earlier than the admin really wanted. This was against the shittiest Homo team in years, with home-field advantage, and WELL MORE than enough motivation to kick the fricking shite out of these gak holes, and he STILL fricked it up. If he wins this game, he leads A&M to the SEC, but the search for his replacement would have been underway before we played one down of football in the SEC.
#25 TEX 0 7 17 3 27
TA&M 10 6 0 9 25
Oklahoma State was very disappointing, but not the nail in Sherman's coffin. It looked like Okie Lite was a really good team (which they were) but simply had a bad first half. See the 21 unanswered 3rd quarter points.
1 2 3 4 T
#7 OKST 3 0 21 6 30
#8 TA&M 10 10 0 9 29
Arkie was also disappointing, but a very competitive game against a very good team. Arkie scored 25 second-half points to A&M's 3. Not the final nail in his coffin again, but this is 2 weeks in a row. There were probably some grumblings within the admin.
1 2 3 4 T
#14 TA&M 14 21 0 3 38
#18 ARK 7 10 10 15 42
Missouri was not a bad team, but this game was a huge egg. We had a more talented team and one of the best home-field advantages in college football, and Sherm STILL couldn't hold it together. Even this dumpster fire of a game was not his undoing in my opinion.
MIZZ 14 3 0 14 7 38
#16 TA&M 7 21 0 3 0 31
It was the 28 3rd quarter points we gave up to a decent team that we were handling pretty well in the first half. This, in my opinion, was the evidence the admin needed to make a decision. It wasn't even the final score that killed him. He could have lost this game and still kept his job. That 3rd quarter beatdown unequivocally proved the trend and cost Sherman his job IMO. The prior losses only acted to confirm the trend. He may have been allowed to coach the first year in the SEC, but they would have replaced him after the first year, knowing he would struggle. that would have provided the excuse they needed. I think they wanted to keep him for the transition to the SEC and can his arse after the first year.
1 2 3 4 T
TA&M 3 7 0 15 25
#6 OKLA 7 6 28 0 41
When a fairly shitty Kansas State did the exact same cocksucking, no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-arse, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey shite, it did nothing more than get pretty much everyone behind a change. I still think they wanted to keep him on to transition to the SEC for the first year.
1 2 3 4 4OT T
TA&M 0 14 7 10 19 50
#14 KSU 0 14 0 17 22 53
The loss to the fairies from Austin IN THE SAME frickING FASHION hurried his departure a year earlier than the admin really wanted. This was against the shittiest Homo team in years, with home-field advantage, and WELL MORE than enough motivation to kick the fricking shite out of these gak holes, and he STILL fricked it up. If he wins this game, he leads A&M to the SEC, but the search for his replacement would have been underway before we played one down of football in the SEC.
#25 TEX 0 7 17 3 27
TA&M 10 6 0 9 25
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:59 pm to KaiserSoze99
Eloquence, you haz it!
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:05 pm to Jefferson Davis
I'm doubtful.
Sherman was always going to be the stepping stone between the utter disaster/debacle/nightmare that was Franchione and whomever we eventually chose (Sumlin). I think the SEC move hastened Sherman's exit (wouldn't have been a good fit at all), not any specific game last year.
Sherman was always going to be the stepping stone between the utter disaster/debacle/nightmare that was Franchione and whomever we eventually chose (Sumlin). I think the SEC move hastened Sherman's exit (wouldn't have been a good fit at all), not any specific game last year.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:22 pm to EKG
Sherman was fired for one reason - he refused to hire on OC. If he just would have given over control, and been a HC he'd still be here, even with all the meltdowns. He also was never on board with the move to the SEC, which sure didn't help.
Sherman prided himself on being balanced, to the point of insanity. If you have 200 yards rushing in the first half, only a moron completely abandons the running game. And we NEVER used the middle of the field in the passing game, either. Then the lack of conditioning was incomprehensible.
Liked Sherman, but I think Sumlin is a large upgrade... Sumlin is a HC first and foremost, and lets his coordinators do their jobs.
Sherman prided himself on being balanced, to the point of insanity. If you have 200 yards rushing in the first half, only a moron completely abandons the running game. And we NEVER used the middle of the field in the passing game, either. Then the lack of conditioning was incomprehensible.
Liked Sherman, but I think Sumlin is a large upgrade... Sumlin is a HC first and foremost, and lets his coordinators do their jobs.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:47 pm to DFWAggie09
Swear to God: I texted my buddies during the Arkansas game when we were up by 18 "Arky has us right where they want us!"
I was right. Ryan Panichill was awesome at eating peaches and choking on the pit. His favorite play in the second half was getting the ball batted doen at the LOS. Dude sucked arse under pressure and that's a reflection on the coach in my opinion.
I was right. Ryan Panichill was awesome at eating peaches and choking on the pit. His favorite play in the second half was getting the ball batted doen at the LOS. Dude sucked arse under pressure and that's a reflection on the coach in my opinion.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:51 pm to ColoradoAg
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And we NEVER used the middle of the field in the passing game, either.
Has anyone ever provided an explanation for this? It was crazy. My brother, who is not an Aggie, was involved in the coaching of another program. We'd watch games together and he'd keep saying "This is unbelieveable! Every pass A&M throws is to someone standing inches from the sideline! That's especially ALL Jeff Fuller does! Is Sherman that obsessed with using NO clock? If so, WHY? A&M has no YAC! None!"
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:55 pm to Darth Slive
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I was right. Ryan Panichill was awesome at eating peaches and choking on the pit.
Perfect. Guy was a Golden God in most statistics and in terms of physical measureables, but was the inverse of clutch. If the game was on the line, you could count on him to throw a pick. That's a terrible trait.
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