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Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:16 pm to VABuckeye
USC to that list & I'm good with that top 4.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:23 pm to Phat Phil
This list is shite. They must have just started naming teams after the top 35 or 40. How the hell is Denver even up there?
Posted on 8/6/17 at 8:28 pm to OldSchoolHorn
To be fair, Texas had 3 with a single coach and the last of that era in say 1970. From 1970 to 2016 they had 1 in 2005. While I loved you beating Trojans with Vince Young, that was almost a generation ago and to go back to your glory days of the 60's the fans who can remember that era are probably dead, dying, or at least on social security.
2016 - 1970 = 46 years with 1 Natty and just shy of a 1/2 century.
2016 - 1970 = 46 years with 1 Natty and just shy of a 1/2 century.
Posted on 8/6/17 at 9:07 pm to Cheese Grits
It's an all time list & it adds up to 7th/8th.. personally I have them 8th with ND being the team that should be ahead of them.
Winsipedia.com if you want to see where teams are ranked vs peers on key categories.
It lays it out as clear cut as it can be.
I can't remember ever seeing Texas outside of the 7/8th spot in any of these lists. My post above was in reference to some gator fan debating with FSU fan.. stack up the criteria and it's a complete sweep in FSU's favor. Arguing against FSU>FLA is insanity.
Winsipedia.com if you want to see where teams are ranked vs peers on key categories.
It lays it out as clear cut as it can be.
I can't remember ever seeing Texas outside of the 7/8th spot in any of these lists. My post above was in reference to some gator fan debating with FSU fan.. stack up the criteria and it's a complete sweep in FSU's favor. Arguing against FSU>FLA is insanity.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 9:51 am to OldSchoolHorn
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Winsipedia.com if you want to see where teams are ranked vs peers on key categories.
It lays it out as clear cut as it can be.
Not really, unless wins is all that you are counting no matter how bad the opponents were.
Look at the schools with lots of wins
#1 Michigan = fraud wins
- hasn't been a leader in a generation or two
- glory days were before WWII
- plays in the B1G which a Ohio State +1 conference
- played most wins in uneven scheduling where most were in Ann Arbor
(not even on their home and homes with most schools outside B1G, esp SEC)
- always got more media than it deserved
#2 Yale = who cares wins
- hasn't been a contender since what, WWI?
#3 Nebraska = good wins but lots of filler
- in the old Big 6 / Big 8 they really only had the Oklahoma game each year
- lots of easy wins racked up against inferior conference teams
#4 Ohio State = legit but some filler
Legit, even tho they won't travel to play SEC teams
#5 Texas = legit but overinflated and overinflated self worth to match
- spent most of their life in a conference they ran roughshod over
- racked up lots of wins under butter tooth but stopped playing good teams OOC
#6 Alabama = legit
- spent most of their life in a conference when you had 6 legit teams any given year
#7 Notre Dame = mostly legit
- spent most of life as IND but still set up decent schedules
- soft from 90's to 10's but still respectable
#8 Oklahoma = legit
- spent most of life in conference with few threatening foes
- at least has always scheduled solid home and home in non conference
#9 Penn State = somewhat legit
- did schedule well as IND and had legit rival games
- did schedule some softies being outside a conference
#10 Harvard = see Yale above
If I were making a list based on legit Top 10 (and not just hollow wins) I would probably go with Alabama @ #1 and Oklahoma @ #2. Ohio State would probably be #3 but they got help from Chicago dropping out of the B1G around WWII. Nebraska would be ahead of Texas but both would probably be Top 10. Southern Cal would probably be in the Top 10 but they did play in the PAC which historically was not a hotbed of football schools. Notre Dame would be in the Top 10 but needs to do some more work in this age to stay there.
All 3 of the FL schools (UF, FSU, and U) have done well in the ESPN Era but they are still the noobs. Penn State - and Pittsburgh before ESPN Era - were powerful but in the B1G the Nitters may never be their former self. Clemson is hot now but all those wins racked up in the old basketball centric ACC inflates their numbers.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 9:57 am to rmnldr
That is BS.
It should be
Florida
Auburn
LSU
It should be
Florida
Auburn
LSU
Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:00 am to jj06
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Auburn
LSU
I love your sense of humor.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:17 am to JCdawg
If you compare those 3 schools with every metric LSU is on top and Florida is right behind. Auburn isn't even close to LSU
Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:19 am to JCdawg
wrong thread
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 8/7/17 at 10:52 am to Cheese Grits
categories run well past "wins"
Take TX vs Nebraska, pretty much side by side in these lists and usually NU one slot ahead of Texas.
Look over the link with criteria.. NU by a hair in those stated categories.. great example of a good list placement for each team.
LINK
Take TX vs Nebraska, pretty much side by side in these lists and usually NU one slot ahead of Texas.
Look over the link with criteria.. NU by a hair in those stated categories.. great example of a good list placement for each team.
LINK
Posted on 8/7/17 at 7:14 pm to JCdawg
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I love your sense of humor.
I dont put any weight on LSU's success in the 50s. It was a different time and era then.
From the 70s-till today, Auburn is the better program over LSU. And Florida trumps them both.
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 8/7/17 at 7:25 pm to Phat Phil
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1 Oklahoma 927 Big 12
2 Ohio State 916 Big Ten
List is crap. Bama is the greatest team in the history of college football.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 9:19 pm to kywildcatfanone
It's really a ranking of who is best in the modern era or since the poll started in 1950. It's pretty accurate. As a sidenote the 1974 Sooners didn't get a single vote in the coaches poll. They were on probation and prior to that season the coaches poll changed the rule regarding their own voting for a team on probation. It's a good rule.
The 1974 Sooners captured the AP title after an undefeated season. So that's 25 points lost in this poll which has OU at #1 regardless.
I think any metric you use will have OU number 1 from WWII forward. Or the so called modern era.
Personally I think Bama is the best all time program. So I agree with the UK fan. That's just not what this poll is measuring. I think Alabama is ahead of everyone because of the current Saban era. Before then, it would be debatable.
Do Alabama fans consider this the golden era?
other thoughts...
Cheese grits wow! You don't look to fairly on the traditional powers outside the SEC. Get over yourself. The SEC has not always provided a team with the best schedule. How long have you been watching college football? Have some objectivity. Yes the SEC is a great conference, but it's not true that Bama is the only traditional power to play a tough schedule. That is head in the sand type stuff...
The 1974 Sooners captured the AP title after an undefeated season. So that's 25 points lost in this poll which has OU at #1 regardless.
I think any metric you use will have OU number 1 from WWII forward. Or the so called modern era.
Personally I think Bama is the best all time program. So I agree with the UK fan. That's just not what this poll is measuring. I think Alabama is ahead of everyone because of the current Saban era. Before then, it would be debatable.
Do Alabama fans consider this the golden era?
other thoughts...
Cheese grits wow! You don't look to fairly on the traditional powers outside the SEC. Get over yourself. The SEC has not always provided a team with the best schedule. How long have you been watching college football? Have some objectivity. Yes the SEC is a great conference, but it's not true that Bama is the only traditional power to play a tough schedule. That is head in the sand type stuff...
Posted on 8/8/17 at 2:28 am to genro
This list is shite.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 3:52 am to sows
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other thoughts...
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How long have you been watching college football?
Since the SEC had 12 members and two of them were Tulane and Georgia Tech.
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Bama is the only traditional power to play a tough schedule.
Not what I said. I implied historically the SEC (which started in the early 1930's) had the most competitive teams from top to bottom of any of the conferences. That was true long ago and it is still true today. It was not just based on Bama but on the other schools in the conference as a whole picture. If a school wins 4 MNC's under 4 different coaches, in 4 different eras it is impressive but nobody talks about Georgia Tech the way we talk about Florida State or Michigan. We got the Sugar Bowl not form LSU but Tulane yet nobody talks about the Green Wave as an early football powerhouse that chose academics over sports (like Chicago in the B1G). Gophers were the first D1 to 3 peat but if Bernie never leaves Tulane, that never happens.
The Big 8, SWC, and PCC were not filled with top to bottom teams year in and year out so a single or secondary school tended to dominate. ACC historically sucked in college football so it was an easier path for Clemson and then Florida State to win it. B1G has some teams who rise up in a given year but their bread and butter since most on here were a twinkle in their parents eye was Ohio State and an over hyped Michigan.
I am not saying someone like Bobby Bowden or JoPa could not win games but put them in a solid conference and an undefeated or 1 loss season maybe picks up a second or third loss in a season and that is enough to not allow that FSU or PSU team a shot at a MNC. Look at the SEC (including Alabama) effect on the Rose Bowl where you have southern teams representing until WWII and then they are shut out of the national stage because the B1G and PCC create a monopoly to make their teams seem better?
B1G teams with equal or fewer Rose Bowl games than Alabama
6 = Iowa
5 = Michigan State and Illinois
4 = Penn State
2 = Minnesota, Northwestern, Purdue, and Nebraska*
1 = Indiana
0 = Maryland* and Rutgers*
Teams with * represent schools added to the B1G in the past decade
Only Michigan (20), Ohio State (14), and Wisconsin (9) have been to more Rose Bowls than Alabama. More impressive is Bama has not been to a Rose Bowl since the end of WWII while the B1G still sent teams for the next 70 + years!
As for Bama being the greatest team of all time (even pre Saban) who else has this kind of resume? While the kids on here just may know the Saban Era it is not like the Tide just won under Saban.
Alabama Coaches with all time wins over .700 (after say WWI)
.744 Xen Scott from 1919 - 1922
.812 Wallace Wade from 1923 - 1930
.812 Frank Thomas from 1931 - 1946
.824 Paul Bryant from 1958 - 1982
.722 Bill Curry from 1987 - 1989
.713 Gene Stallings from 1990 - 1996
.866 Nick Saban from 2007 - present
College football in the south is a religion as much as a sport and it is hard to find that similar passion when you go outside the confines of the south since the day Tulane turned down the Rose Bowl invitation in the 1920's for academics and Alabama got it's first real shot at the national stage.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 6:22 am to Cheese Grits
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College football in the south is a religion as much as a sport and it is hard to find that similar passion when you go outside the confines of the south
You had me until this. You obviously haven't experienced high school football in Ohio. Believe me, it's a religion up there.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 7:55 am to VABuckeye
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You obviously haven't experienced high school football in Ohio.
I was at the old games in Nippert between Moeller and Massillon in the 70's and 80's. I am aware of football in Ohio. I have also been to the X vs Trinity games in Papa John and the other big catholic schools that draw better than most college games. Ohio is a state and not a region just like Texas is a state and not a region. I give full credit to Ohio high school football just pointing out Ohio State only represents 1/14 th of the B1G, not 14/14. Pretty much the entire SEC is crazy about football, not just a handful of schools.
I will say the same for high school basketball in the IN / KY / OH triangle as it is unlike any other area in the country. UNC vs Duke is made for TV but the triangle beats Tobacco Road anyway. The old Big 4 game in the old Hoosier Dome rivaled if not exceeded the passion of any Final Four game in the last 20 years. With no corporate seating and seas of actual Kentucky and Indiana fans it was louder than any modern venue today that is filled with "event" people who go and sit on their hands.
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:03 am to Cheese Grits
Oklahoma #1 on Coaches all-time; #2 in AP all-time! What does that mean in the long run? Well, it's consistency, and part of what makes OU a respected power. BUT, the National Championships are what matter, and Alabama is doing well lately in that realm, whether winning them,playing for them, or contending for them. And I'm a closet Bama fan; always have respected them. I want what they have!
Posted on 8/8/17 at 8:06 am to Oklahomey
Hey, I am with you in putting Sooners at a solid #2 behind Bama. I at least respect what the Sooners have always done scheduling non conference.
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