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re: Clay Travis article on Michael Sam, Sterling, etc.

Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:55 pm to
Posted by FairhopeTider
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:55 pm to
Well, I'll be the first to tell you that the TTown Menswear stuff is shady, but my gripe with Travis is that he'd post photos of souvenir & memorabilia kiosks and try to say they were Albetar's when in fact they were kiosks at mall in different cities. Even when confronted with that fact, he'd never rescind.

My problem was never the allegations, it was how he supported them and the fact that he sucks as an actual journalist.
Posted by burbank
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:18 pm to
Clay is Nails..
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:19 pm to
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His "right" to say what he wants is fully intact as are the "rights" of other members of his association enforcing their ability to remove him from said association. He agreed to this. He will be compensated as the market determines.

And the pro leagues have the right to remove players who beat women. They don't actually do that, though.
Posted by Daviskenn
Nashville
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:14 am to
Excellent.
Posted by LSUMastermind
South Florida
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897 posts
Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:37 am to
amazing how people justify racism, through unrelated events.
Posted by LaBornNRaised
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 10:31 am to
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I didn't read his article


Then GTFO the thread.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:12 pm to
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Most of what he put out in his realignment articles were retreads of articles that were out months earlier on MR SEC and Frank the Tank.


I don't know about that, I followed the realignment pretty closely myself and I didn't see anything from franthektank that was more than his opinion(which stinks as much as anyones) and really wasn't any closer to correct either, since he never thought Mizzou had a chance. Sure he posted some northwestern guys stats, so what, every ahole on the internet claims "my numbers are good, they're based on fact",, big deal, no real proof of anything from that blowhard either.

Clay did some very original projections of what the SEC network could be worth, show me where mrsec or whoever did that first.. go ahead we'll wait.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:14 pm to
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Then GTFO the thread.


No.
Posted by Cheese Grits
Wherever I lay my hat is my home
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:52 pm to
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I followed the realignment pretty closely myself and I didn't see anything from franthektank that was more than his opinion


Frank himself was way off base because he looked to much through the B1G colored glasses and seemed too infatuated with Texas. I will give him credit for proposing to view realignment through the eyes of a college president. Mr SEC took that part and did an extensive post (like 20 - 30 pages) around march or april of 2010 when Clay was still not paying attention. The big part was Frank's posters who replied from all over the country. That is where the best stuff came from. It was in those responses that I first saw Notre Dame to the ACC or Maryland to the B1G. Both did not really make the mainstream until much later when they actually happened.

If you are a Mizzou fan then you should be well aware MR SEC picked the Tigers to the SEC earlier than anybody and was a supporter of theirs from the beginning. Clay did not start covering it until several folks emailed him and gave him a poke.

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Clay did some very original projections of what the SEC network could be worth


Most of which was based on 3 dollars a month carriage which is nowhere near to what is actually happening. Again, making something sensational than actually doing the research is classic Clay. If you are a Mizzou fan I am surprised that with a school known for real journalism and the hard work of credible sources and fact checking you are enamored to a blogger who does neither.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 1:09 pm to
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Frank himself was way off base b


yep, and Clay wasn't.
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f you are a Mizzou fan then you should be well aware MR SEC


From what I've seen it's a pretty nappy weblog(mrsec) of various bloggers from around the sec and many are just the same opinion ranting blowhards we see on this very forum, your defence of them make's me suspect you are one of those mrsec bloggers.

As for the "3 dollars a month carriage" you are quoting that was just one scenario he posted, so he was just throwing figures around to show what different fees would bring in, as for it being too high, well I know a huge number of SEC fans that would gladly pay 3bucks a month for the SEC network, so the validity of that rate depends on if you are talking inside or outside the footprint.

As for credible bloggers on the internet.. lmao "real journalism" again waiting for you to post these facts you keep claiming about credible sources, not seeing any.

Fact is, when 90+% of everybody in and out of the SEC was yelping horror at the very though of Mizzou in the SEC, Clay was laying out exactly why it made sense in a methodical, logical way. The fact that he can also do that with a bent of humor at the same time makes him a far more worth while read than a bunch of so called "serious journalist" from some blog site whose opinion is no more valid than anyone elses.

If you don't like Clay Travis for whatever reason, fine, I'm not telling anyone they should, but claiming you have credibility and facts vs it just being your opinion are two very different things.

This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 1:11 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 1:33 pm to
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From what I've seen it's a pretty nappy weblog(mrsec) of various bloggers from around the sec


The John guy was the only one on MR SEC covering realignment and he was on the Mizzou bus long before Clay was. John was there in early 2010 and Clay did not seem to get on the Mizzou bus till at least a year later. I am not going back and reading 2 years of blogs just to post the links but I do remember pretty well that when Clay did start covering it it was stuff John had already posted before.

You can refuse to believe this, but my memory seems pretty clear on this.

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Fact is, when 90+% of everybody in and out of the SEC was yelping horror at the very though of Mizzou in the SEC, Clay was laying out exactly why it made sense in a methodical, logical way.


Yeah, but he was just retelling the stuff John at Mr SEC had already laid out. Which is my beef with Clay. Using another persons work and nor sourcing them is not real tough to do. In the age of blogs wanting hits I understand it, but that does not make it right.

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If you don't like Clay Travis for whatever reason, fine


I have said on here many times he was funny early on and enjoyed some of his stuff. It is not wether I like Clay as a person (which I have no problem with) but that he steals other work and claims it as his own. That is where I have the problem.

BTW, I forgot one of the better sources was Kristi Dosh and her "business of college sports" blog before she got hired by ESPN and stopped writing it. Very good stuff on there about how conferences worked and very informative during realignment.
Posted by Duckie
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 1:40 pm to
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"I'm not racist, because I don't like racists!" "I'm not homophobic because I don't like homophobes! But everyone else is!"


on point.
Posted by noladan
new orleans
Member since Nov 2003
3802 posts
Posted on 5/13/14 at 1:43 pm to
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He wants to be the next Bill Simmons


Fixed it for you. But I actually like him (i'm not a Bama or UK fan though).
Posted by Jagd Tiger
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Member since Mar 2014
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 2:21 pm to
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I am not going back and reading 2 years of blogs just to post the links but I do remember pretty well that when Clay did start covering it it was stuff John had already posted before.


Fair enough, I'm not going to google outkick links, now that his sight is on Foxsports I'm not even sure they can be pulled up. Either way everyone had an opinion and everyone was willing to throw them out as "the answer", if I had a dollar for every "here's my 4x16 conference scenario post", throw enough darts and sooner or later you hit the bullseye, doesn't mean you have any real skill at cricket.

I followed pretty much every link on realignment posted including frank and mrsec, at that point everyone was guessing.

Until Brady Deaton realized he was being played by the south div, his leadership of the Big 12 presidents counsel for sustained growth was the main thing keeping Mizzou in the 12. When Boren turned around and threw roses at the PAC a day after swearing fealty to the B12, I think Brady finally came around to seeing the light. At that point the wheels turning behind the scenes started realigning Mizzou compass south and east.

But back to Outkicks "spin" on the issues, he's better at cutting to the chase and landing a jab than about 99% of net bloggers so I will keep visiting his website.

LINK


"And the fake Granny didn't even have a Southern accent."

One sentence paints the whole picture.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 2:24 pm
Posted by Cheese Grits
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 2:36 pm to
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I followed pretty much every link on realignment posted including frank and mrsec, at that point everyone was guessing.


Pretty much true except for this guy on Frank who was posting MD stuff all the way. Even came back as an alter and took tons of crap from most everybody on that blog. I still think he was somebody high up at MD because pretty much what he said actually happened with the Terps. After it all went public he / she stopped posting.

Also there was some guy on there with Notre Dame stuff now and again. Seemed like much of what they said early on came to pass for the Irish including the ACC deal. I still wonder if both were already in the know and testing the waters for public reaction. The worst of all of them tho was the guy from West Virginia called the dude. Pretty universal he was the worst.
Posted by Jagd Tiger
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 2:54 pm to
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Seemed like much of what they said early on came to pass for the Irish including the ACC deal. I


Problem is it could still just be guess work, and not insider info, again, the blind squirrel principle.

Some guy on an MU board called TTraider kept coming in with supposed insider info, I think he later admitted he was mostly just going by a vague rumor he picked up here and there. And yes, thedude was awful.

The northwestern guy was good at pulling additional variables into the equation, but had he been right, the Nubs would never have been accepted into the Ten.

I still get great amusement from people who suggest Mizzou would leave the SEC if the Ten came sniffing, that one's always good for a laugh.

Posted by Cheese Grits
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Posted on 5/13/14 at 3:06 pm to
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Problem is it could still just be guess work, and not insider info, again, the blind squirrel principle.


Yeah, except the MD person called the B1G guy taking the MD job well before it happened. That is when I started close reading that person's posts on Frank. Way out of the blue and nobody saw that hire. Could have been the blind principle, but too accurate on the most obscure stuff at MD. I thought maybe they were a secretary in the AD's or presidents office.

If there was a "deepthroat" to college realignment that person was probably it.
Posted by Chronic
Member since Nov 2013
1096 posts
Posted on 5/13/14 at 3:31 pm to
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I read it. Hard to disagree with anything he said.


Maybe if you have the same dearth of brain cells that he does.

I particularly like the part where he insinuates that racists and homophobes deserve praise for standing up to the bullies that are running the so-called mobs. He conveniently - or perhaps stupidly - fails to mention that these "brave" souls are the ones who've made life for minorities and gays hell for centuries. What a dumb frick. Yeah, they're super brave all right.
This post was edited on 5/13/14 at 3:33 pm
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