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re: Clay Travis article on Michael Sam, Sterling, etc.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:39 pm to elposter
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:39 pm to elposter
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Any way, back to the point. Speak your mind and make a fool of yourself all day every day, that is certainly your "right." But be prepared to pay the consequences if the market so dicates.
You are missing the point of the entire article. Do you not see this current trend of every major corporation feeling that is should become America's though police a bad thing?
Private organization can whatever they want, but PC nature is turning this all into an uncontrollable mess.
Many people in today's current business climate seem to believe that we all have to think one way. If you disagree with the way we think then we are going to fire you.
eta: You sound like a major dbag, who thinks way too highly of himself if we are being honest.
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:40 pm to gismap
Almost all of his articles are on point. One of the better writers in sports when he takes on a topic seriously.
Also very entertaining when he is making fun of gumps.
Also very entertaining when he is making fun of gumps.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:43 pm to mbogo
I like Clay Travis because everyone hates him and nobody can articulate why.
Most people claim he's a liar, which is funny considering he largely writes tongue-in-cheek blog-type articles without any investigative claims.
Most people claim he's a liar, which is funny considering he largely writes tongue-in-cheek blog-type articles without any investigative claims.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:45 pm to Cockopotamus
quote:He said something you/I didn't like about your/my team one time, ergo he sucks...
Who is Clay Travis and why is he so hated?
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:50 pm to RTR America
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You are missing the point of the entire article. Do you not see this current trend of every major corporation feeling that is should become America's though police a bad thing?
Private organization can whatever they want, but PC nature is turning this all into an uncontrollable mess.
Many people in today's current business climate seem to believe that we all have to think one way. If you disagree with the way we think then we are going to fire you.
I told you I didn't read the article. I rarely click links from this site. I am simply responding to what the Aggie poster said about Sterling's "right" to express his opinion without having his "property taken away." I was taking issue with that very specific point.
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You are missing the point of the entire article. Do you not see this current trend of every major corporation feeling that is should become America's though police a bad thing?
Private organization can whatever they want, but PC nature is turning this all into an uncontrollable mess.
Many people in today's current business climate seem to believe that we all have to think one way. If you disagree with the way we think then we are going to fire you.
Yes, yes I get all that. Our society and rules are but a function of the people that make it up. This will be policed by society. There is a tipping point when the "PC nature" will backfire and things will tilt back the other way. It's already happened in a lot of situations. I hate PC bullshite as much as the next person, but that's not really the point.
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Many people in today's current business climate seem to believe that we all have to think one way. If you disagree with the way we think then we are going to fire you.
Meh, most businesses are not going around firing people for their beliefs unless those beliefs are a threat to the business' reputation (bottom line), product (bottom line), etc (i.e., bottom line). Sure there are a-hole bosses who fire you because they don't like you or your beliefs, but it isn't some epidemic. My boss and I disagree on all kinds of stuff but my beliefs or expression thereof don't impact my company's bottom line so they don't give a shite. If and when it does, they'd probably fire me and be justified in doing so. There are in business to make money and aren't going to tolerate something that they believe is an obstacle to that goal.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:50 pm to PorkSammich
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He's a huge douche but he nailed that article.
It sucks what the media is doing to society.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:51 pm to Cheese Grits
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When he started out he was not so bad and he was actually pretty funny on air. Success went to his head and now he is the main line
Yeah, he was great when he first started. But he has since turned into a massive douche who's can't decide whether he wants to be Finebaum or Charles Robinson.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:53 pm to FairhopeTider
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Yeah, he was great when he first started. But he has since turned into a massive douche who's can't decide whether he wants to be Finebaum or Charles Robinson.
I don't understand this at all. When has he tried to be Charles Robinson? He's like a funny version of Finebaum that talks about more than just Alabama.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:54 pm to StopRobot
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My only problem is he takes pictures of people, who are out of the public eye, who did absolutely nothing wrong to him or anyone else for that matter and holds them up for mocking.
I don't see the problem here. Seriously. It isn't a "news" site. It's where some people go to be entertained.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:55 pm to Pettifogger
I like Clay Travis. He understands conference realignment better than anyone in popular media. He's actually a pretty smart dude.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:57 pm to Pettifogger
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I like Clay Travis because everyone hates him and nobody can articulate why.
I like Clay Travis when he comes on the radio, but often find his writing similar to some of the terrible shite you find on here. All about getting clicks and pushing certain fan bases buttons.
Now that Fox is going to handle the advertising side of things for OTC hopefully his writing will become less of troll-ish.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 5:58 pm to piggilicious
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...of course he's going to think people should be able to say whatever they want without fear of consequence.
Not what he said, or particularly close. He mostly compared Sterling's opinion spoken in his own home and secretly recorded (and a few other examples) to professional athletes and coaches committing actual crimes, and noted how there's a serious disconnect there when it comes to punishment. And he's correct.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:00 pm to Cheese Grits
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Hating Texas because TAMU folks give his site hits
Yes, that is the only reason he hates them. Yep. Good catch.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:08 pm to finestfirst79
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He mostly compared Sterling's opinion spoken in his own home and secretly recorded (and a few other examples) to professional athletes and coaches committing actual crimes, and noted how there's a serious disconnect there when it comes to punishment. And he's correct.
He is correct except that sports is a consumer driven business and the owners are in the business of getting as many consumers as possible to spend as much money as possible on the product. The decisions made by respective leagues and owners are made to protect their product, nothing more nothing less.
That's why a perceived white racist owner in the NBA is a big fricking deal. The other NBA owners probably don't give a shite that Sterling thinks less of black people and they probably think Kobe is a bigger sack of shite for his sex crimes. However, their decisions are based on business and according to their consumers a white racist owner is worse for the bottom line than a player who sexually assaulted someone. That may be screwed up (it is), but the owners aren't making moral judgments, they are making business decisions to protect their investment. They don't care if the punishment fits the crime, and I don't blame them. They aren't in the business of justness.
If and when their consumers change, the owner's will change with them. That's business 101. This issue is really about economics and capitalism, not whether the punishment fits the crime.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:10 pm to Gradual_Stroke
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He understands conference realignment better than anyone in popular media.
Most of what he put out in his realignment articles were retreads of articles that were out months earlier on MR SEC and Frank the Tank.
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He's actually a pretty smart dude.
He may be but he is lazy in doing his own research. Seems like he relies on what other folks say than generating his own research.
I liked Clay when he was at least entertaining. Now he just writes stuff to generates hits on the site.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:11 pm to elposter
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If and when their consumers change, the owner's will change with them. That's business 101. This issue is really about economics and capitalism, not whether the punishment fits the crime.
Well... hmm. I've got nothin'. Good point.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:15 pm to Gradual_Stroke
He is a very smart dude and was the best source on conference re alignment in all of sports for a while.
Also, of the thousands of people that have covered or written about the sterling fiasco the past few weeks, Travis has written the best article out of all of them or close to it.
Also, of the thousands of people that have covered or written about the sterling fiasco the past few weeks, Travis has written the best article out of all of them or close to it.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:25 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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the best source on conference re alignment in all of sports for a while.
Ranking the realignment sources
Top
Frank the Tank (really was the first to go full bore on the subject)
MR SEC (picked TAMU and MU before anybody else)
The writer on the west coast who dealt with the PAC expansion (had Colorado and picked Utah when most were picking several others)
Middle
Clay
VPI site (missed themselves to the SEC but got several ACC adds correct before they happened)
MD site (were correct about their move to the B1G in early to mid 2010)
Bottom
Chip Brown
The Dude
FSU site
Clemson site
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:35 pm to Pettifogger
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I don't understand this at all. When has he tried to be Charles Robinson? He's like a funny version of Finebaum that talks about more than just Alabama.
I guess you weren't around when he tried to stoke the fires of the TTown Menswear stuff. Albetar is dirty as Hell IMO but Travis was relying on internet posts for his resources. I think he even went after AU a little on the Cam deal right before Media Days. He often tries hard to be the guy who signals that the end could be coming for a program.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 6:56 pm to FairhopeTider
To be fair, he was correct on the ttownmenswear stuff and accurate about the bylaws that were broken. He was extremely thorough in his explanations. The ncaa did not want to get involved as it would have meant bama vacating their 2009 title and a bunch of games, but they could have.
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