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re: Clay Travis: Virtually impossible for Freeze to keep his job
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:09 am to GoRebsGo!
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:09 am to GoRebsGo!
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Coach O is not a bad guy. He just wasn't ready to be a head coach when we hired him.
Besides, anyone who thinks we are going to get a big name after the Freeze shite show is delusional. We get a retread or an assistant.
I don't like it, but it's time to get used to the idea that we are going to get hammered.
Even if Freeze gets to keep the job, he won't be able to win. I doubt Ole Miss fans will still be in love with him after a couple more 4 or 5 win seasons and all the NCAA sanctions.
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:10 am to bamasgot13
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Just b/c some guy on twitter is speculating that (and positioning it as fact) doesn't make it so. I've seen no credible insight on that yet. Where have you seen it?
Do you realize that a year ago I predicted a strong possibility of him being hired by Ole Miss should Freeze get canned? I think it's very possible. He has a lot of ties in Mississippi.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:12 am to Skillet
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couple more 4 or 5 win seasons
Been through that with the previous two coaches. Two or three shittay seasons can be endured.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:15 am to RollTide1987
OH MY GOD!! THAT'S SYLVESTER CROOM'S MUSIC!!
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:16 am to Saskwatch
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Two or three shittay seasons can be endured.
Even Vandy will can a coach after 3 bad seasons. No way will Freeze survive.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:17 am to Saskwatch
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Been through that with the previous two coaches.
Both of whom got fired for, you guessed it, losing too many games.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:24 am to UAtide11
I can see OM wanting to keep Freeze because no good coach will want to inherit this mess. But Freeze obviously needed to cheat big to get a winning team. He won't be able to cheat big anymore, so he'll just be a very average coach on a team burdened with sanctions...Ole Miss fans will tire of this quickly.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 9:26 am to MullenBoys
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Do you realize that a year ago I predicted a strong possibility of him being hired by Ole Miss should Freeze get canned?
No. I didn't realize that. I don't often keep track for extended periods of time what posters say on message boards. Sure, there are some exceptions (like when LSU posters feel good going into the Bama game and start making predictions that Guice will expose the D, that Canada is putting up 30, that Hurts will be neutralized by Aranda, etc), but I don't know that I've ever taken the nanosecond needed to bookmark something said by a State fan about Ole Miss or vice versa.
Congrats on calling over a year ago something that may or may not happen now though.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 9:28 am
Posted on 7/13/17 at 10:03 am to MaroonNation
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dude you seriously need mental help. In typical OM fashion you think you are way more important in the grand scheme of things than you are. It's embarrassing to other Mississippians to have people spout shite like this. You are Ole Miss. you aren't Bama, Auburn, Georgia, Florida, or LSU. You are a school that shares the least populated state in the SEC with a school that has way more up side than OM does right now.
Say it louder for the people in the back! Ive been in Mississippi for 3 years and this phenomenon absolutely puzzles me.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:20 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Yeah I don't really know why they cheated anyway considering we can beat most everyone in the SEC West with two and three star players when they have nothing but five star so I'm really not too worried about all this s***if we win two games hell at least I can drink a lot but I think we'll still win probably 6 7 8 nothing but diamonds people Nothing But diamonds
Posted on 7/13/17 at 1:45 pm to lsufball19
The "Cutcliffe Should Have Never Been Fired Narrative" is one of the most overrated and short-sighted takes that shockingly is still cited by Ole Miss detractors in 2017.
Cutcliffe was not cut out (puns?) to be a SEC head coach in the era that SEC that was transitioning to in the Early/Mid 2000s (Bama and LSU on the brink of being elite again). Too much pressure and competition, bad health, not a PR guy, bad recruiter, couldn't replace talented assistants, no adaptability, etc. Eli Manning literally carried Ole Miss teams to SEC West relevance (with 2/3 star surrounding talent). Eli is arguably the greatest player in Ole Miss history.
In fairness to Cut, the Ole Miss AD was a complete shiteshow before Ross Bjork took over as AD. GOB-infested, stagnant, no vision, and limited facilities. This era was also before the SEC Network and before all the SEC members were making hands-over-fist money in TV revenues and such - the smaller programs had lesser resources to compete.
The bottom line is Cutcliffe was a low-energy coach that did not have the ability to inspire and attract the players and coaches needed to compete in the burgeoning SEC West. His moderate success at Duke is wrongly serving as anecdotal evidence that he would've succeeded in the years to come at Ole Miss. Duke is a different set of circumstances.
Cutcliffe was not cut out (puns?) to be a SEC head coach in the era that SEC that was transitioning to in the Early/Mid 2000s (Bama and LSU on the brink of being elite again). Too much pressure and competition, bad health, not a PR guy, bad recruiter, couldn't replace talented assistants, no adaptability, etc. Eli Manning literally carried Ole Miss teams to SEC West relevance (with 2/3 star surrounding talent). Eli is arguably the greatest player in Ole Miss history.
In fairness to Cut, the Ole Miss AD was a complete shiteshow before Ross Bjork took over as AD. GOB-infested, stagnant, no vision, and limited facilities. This era was also before the SEC Network and before all the SEC members were making hands-over-fist money in TV revenues and such - the smaller programs had lesser resources to compete.
The bottom line is Cutcliffe was a low-energy coach that did not have the ability to inspire and attract the players and coaches needed to compete in the burgeoning SEC West. His moderate success at Duke is wrongly serving as anecdotal evidence that he would've succeeded in the years to come at Ole Miss. Duke is a different set of circumstances.
This post was edited on 7/13/17 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:01 pm to JCdawg
No I think Archie and FedEX picked him because they knew what they were getting and knew he would push the envelope. They talked about Freeze having "it".
"Manning and Glenn—who, by the way, had a preexisting personal relationship with Freeze—have talked a lot in the last 24 hours about Freeze’s “it” factor.
Freeze himself talked about “it” in the presser on Monday, though his is a decidedly different type of “it.”
Whatever “it” is, “it” is why Manning, et al. chose Freeze and created a highly suspect hiring process that doesn’t pass the smell test and produces more cynicism than an Occupy Wall Street kumbaya."
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"Manning and Glenn—who, by the way, had a preexisting personal relationship with Freeze—have talked a lot in the last 24 hours about Freeze’s “it” factor.
Freeze himself talked about “it” in the presser on Monday, though his is a decidedly different type of “it.”
Whatever “it” is, “it” is why Manning, et al. chose Freeze and created a highly suspect hiring process that doesn’t pass the smell test and produces more cynicism than an Occupy Wall Street kumbaya."
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Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:18 pm to Tdot_RiverDawg
I remember Archie's comments specifically about Freeze have "it" relative to recruiting.
Are Manning/Glenn still pulling the strings right now? Is that why Freeze/Bjork are still pulling paychecks?
The OM Administration couldn't have bungled this whole thing any worse, and the Nutt lawsuit further proves it. I have a feeling Nutt won't be the only man feeling like they were thrown under the bus resulting in additional legal issues for OM.
Are Manning/Glenn still pulling the strings right now? Is that why Freeze/Bjork are still pulling paychecks?
The OM Administration couldn't have bungled this whole thing any worse, and the Nutt lawsuit further proves it. I have a feeling Nutt won't be the only man feeling like they were thrown under the bus resulting in additional legal issues for OM.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 4:33 pm to RT1941
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I remember Archie's comments specifically about Freeze have "it" relative to recruiting.
Are Manning/Glenn still pulling the strings right now?
They were on the coaching search committee that hired Freeze but they aren't decision makers for Ole Miss.
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The OM Administration couldn't have bungled this whole thing any worse, and the Nutt lawsuit further proves it. I have a feeling Nutt won't be the only man feeling like they were thrown under the bus resulting in additional legal issues for OM.
The OM Admin chose a path of full cooperation. It remains to be seen whether or not that was the right decision.
Had they known the Ole Miss name would be dragged through the mud as hard as it has (NCAA leaks, hungry clickbait reporters, rival players getting immunity, lawsuits, etc.) they likely would have chosen another path. I don't know how they could've foreseen it being THIS bad though.
IMO they were dumb as frick cooperating with the NCAA. Should've gone in "eff you" mode, at least they wouldn't look like a bunch of cucks and pissed off their fanbase.
Their decision could all be validated if the COI gives them leniency though.
Posted on 7/13/17 at 11:30 pm to Billy Mays
Not really, you're simply trying to downplay the fact that OM made a rash decision and prematurely canned the best coach they've realistically had a shot at landing in recent memory. Of course, hindsight makes the "detractors" position stronger, but Cut, infirmities and all, can coach circles around everyone else you've had since then, and obviously wouldn't have gotten y'all into the absolute cluster frick you're currently in.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 12:01 am to Dice22
Cut was a joke. That's why he could never get a job at sorry-arse Tennersee.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 12:01 am to Dice22
double
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 12:47 am to Billy Mays
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The bottom line is Cutcliffe was a low-energy coach that did not have the ability to inspire and attract the players and coaches needed to compete in the burgeoning SEC West. His moderate success at Duke is wrongly serving as anecdotal evidence that he would've succeeded in the years to come at Ole Miss. Duke is a different set of circumstances
How can you possibly try to discount a coach who took Duke to 4 straight bowl games? I don't care the "circumstances," they had only been to 8 in their history before he came around.
Duke went 50 years without finishing a season ranked, and he managed to do it.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 12:50 am to RollTide1987
This is getting uglier than I even thought. What a dumpster fire they have there at ole miss. This is before any of the sanctions are levied too. Shits gonna get real.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 1:31 am to Henry Jones Jr
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And even if they have cause, they shouldn't because they are the best coach and AD our school can get. Unless they did some Art Briles/Penn State level stuff, they shouldn't be fired.
Here's the thing about Penn State tho... Their punishments were voluntarily because what happened was a criminal matter and something that the NCAA really din't have the ability to punish (at least back then) without Penn State going along with it. That's the reason that a few years after, PSU appealed to the NCAA and won reductions.
What they did was absolutely horrific and imo they got off easy but the NCAA was never set up for something like that.
What OM is accused of is precisely what they're set up for.
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