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re: Chizik is NOT the coach of the year...
Posted on 11/7/10 at 7:58 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 11/7/10 at 7:58 pm to lsufball19
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w/o newton,
Problem is......he's the starting QB for AU. So I fail to see how these "what if's" are helping your quest for second place in the SEC west.
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Posted on 11/7/10 at 7:59 pm to DaleDenton
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You forgot Ms. State as well.
Mullen out coached Chizik in that game.
thought about including state, but it's not like that game was a barn burner like the rest of their games have been. state was only able to muster 14 points against their defense, so i'm not going to say they should have beaten auburn
Posted on 11/7/10 at 7:59 pm to killercoconut
I think the Newton situation, if still unresolved by season's end, will prevent Chizik or Newton from getting many awards. It may be unfair but such are the times we live in.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:00 pm to lsufball19
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thought about including state, but it's not like that game was a barn burner like the rest of their games have been. state was only able to muster 14 points against their defense, so i'm not going to say they should have beaten auburn
Flip side is the point total they held Auburn too...
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:01 pm to siliconvalleytiger
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I think the Newton situation, if still unresolved by season's end, will prevent Chizik or Newton from getting many awards. It may be unfair but such are the times we live in.
The price you pay, well other then the price he paid.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:02 pm to siliconvalleytiger
Unless Newton flat out tanks, he's so far ahead in the Heisman race that anybody who shirks him in their voting due to the investigation will be rendered irrelevant.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:03 pm to NEWOTiger
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Problem is......he's the starting QB for AU. So I fail to see how these "what if's" are helping your quest for second place in the SEC west.
the argument is whether or not chisik has more to do w/ his team's success than mullen. newton is CLEARLY the reason why aubuirn is where they are and state and mullen are playing w/ a bunch of players no one else wanted and are still 7-2
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:04 pm to lsufball19
I'd argue that guys like Darvin Adams, Terrel Zachary, Michael Dyer, Mario Fannin, Onterio McCalleb, our awesome offensive line, Nick Fairley, John Bynes, and Zac Etheridge have done their fair share. And then of course you have the coaches putting the talent to work.
The "one man team" line is old. In case you are wondering, Michael Dyer has a good chance to be the SECs #2 rusher at the end of the year, behind Newton. Yeah.
The "one man team" line is old. In case you are wondering, Michael Dyer has a good chance to be the SECs #2 rusher at the end of the year, behind Newton. Yeah.
This post was edited on 11/7/10 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:06 pm to Ross
Take Mallett away and we are still pretty good. Not much of a fall off actually. Take Cam away and it is a different story.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:09 pm to Ross
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I'd argue that guys like Darvin Adams, Terrel Zachary, Michael Dyer, Mario Fannin, Onterio McCalleb, our awesome offensive line, Nick Fairley, John Bynes, and Zac Etheridge have done their fair share. And then of course you have the coaches putting the talent to work.
The "one man team" line is old. In case you are wondering, Michael Dyer has a good chance to be the SECs #2 rusher at the end of the year, behind Newton. Yeah.
like i and others have said, newton being the threat he is makes everyone else's stat lines look a lot better. do you honestly think auburn would be even in sec west discussions with say stephen garcia at qb? lsu, for instance, has arguably one of the worst qb's in d-1 football and are still 8-1 despite him, and people (myself included) think miles is a functioning retard. mullen has absolutely no one to work with and has state in very good shape to finish 8-4 and 9-3. yeah, state. you put chiz in the same scenario and i can guarantee you he doesn't lead state to anywhere close to that.
i'd even go further to say if newton was at state or most anywhere else and not auburn, they would be undefeated right now as well
This post was edited on 11/7/10 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:10 pm to DaleDenton
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Example: Florida post Tebow.
Exactly my fricking point though. WIth the threat of Tebow, what running backs were in the top 10 in the SEC for Florida? I will answer for you, in 09 Demps was 11th at the end of the year and Rainey was 18th. Real fricking distraction having to plan around Tebow. How about in 08? Harvin was the best Florida had rushing and he was 7th, Tebow was 12th and Rainey was 15th.
Your point was shite. While Newton takes the pressure off of the running backs and helps open up some stuff, Dyer and OMac still have to run the ball. And they have done it against very solid competition.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:29 pm to NIH
Why don't you people quit worrying about our coach and get that sideline grazer of yours some help. It obvious that he needs it. 
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:34 pm to BamaScoop
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Malzhan is the best coach on that team. Chizik isn't a top ten coach.
Its funny how many say this now, but when CHIZIK hired him you all were laughing and in fact called it a failure last year when they nosedived after going 5-0....hmmmm You want to give him all the blame you have to give him all the glory too. Malzahn didn't hire himself. Mullen would be a great choice if it wasn't for the fact they lost to AU.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:38 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
If Auburn wins out, Chizik will win it going away.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:48 pm to AU86
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If Auburn wins out, Chizik will win it going away.
I disagree with that, if MSU wins out then Mullen will win it even though Chizik will win the national coach of the year.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:51 pm to Ross
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You know nothing of our team.
Then you know nothing of defensive schemes. When you have a player like VY, Newton, Darron Thomas, or Denard Robinson in an offense that works to their skill set, then Defenses have to respect it. Without Newton your team falters countlessly.
He is your 3rd and short go to guy almost 100% of the time. Defenses have to scheme around him, opening up possible big plays for his teammates. Newton is one of those players that makes his teammates look better than they are. Just take a trip back down memory lane. Last year you have Ben tate and chris todd. How did all that work out for you?
It's the the same WR's Same Oline, and other than dyer the same RB's minus your big back in Tate. This year though you have an xfactor in Newton. His running ability means you need someone spying him. LSU tried to play soft zone and not blitz or spy. It didn't work.
So that should be more than enough to prove I do know your team and know that you wouldn't be in the top 10 without 200k and Newton.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:54 pm to Warfarer
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I disagree with that, if MSU wins out then Mullen will win it even though Chizik will win the national coach of the year.
Only if the voters for SEC coach of the year are acknowledging that it was Malzahn/Newton. Auburn's record to this point surprises me more than MSU's record.
This post was edited on 11/7/10 at 8:55 pm
Posted on 11/7/10 at 8:56 pm to memphisplaya
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Last year you have Ben tate and chris todd. How did all that work out for you?
We had one of the best offenses in the country last year.
We could have you or me and QB and Malzahn would craft an offense that would be one of the best in the country.
The talent on offense goes beyond Cameron Newton. People who say differently give a great deal of disrespect to guys like Darvin Adams, Terrel Zachary, and Emory Blake, the first two of those had huge years last year with Chris freaking Todd.
Guys like Michael Dyer and Onterio McCalleb and Mario Fannin are all fine RBs and you are completely deluding yourself if you don't think this offense would still be top notch without Newton.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 9:00 pm to AU86
You guys are dumb -.-
Of course Newton gives us an added dimension to the offense that is unique but Newton has played moderately in games like Ole Miss and people like Dyer and OMac stepped up. I think its retarded that the team with the best player is getting hammered for having that player and using him. Remember that Auburn was still a VERY good offense in much of last year with Chris Todd at the helm. And Saying that the defense has not improved is also stupid. They have stepped up EVERY time we needed them to. Its not always pretty but when the game was on the line, our defense makes plays.
Of course Newton gives us an added dimension to the offense that is unique but Newton has played moderately in games like Ole Miss and people like Dyer and OMac stepped up. I think its retarded that the team with the best player is getting hammered for having that player and using him. Remember that Auburn was still a VERY good offense in much of last year with Chris Todd at the helm. And Saying that the defense has not improved is also stupid. They have stepped up EVERY time we needed them to. Its not always pretty but when the game was on the line, our defense makes plays.
Posted on 11/7/10 at 9:00 pm to memphisplaya
While Trotter doesn't have the agility that Newton has, he is actually close to the same speed as Newton. Todd was not a runner at all, but Trotter can move.
You guys don't understand the madness that is Malzahn. He adjusts his offenses to his personnel. So without Newton, Malzahn makes the adjustments needed and our offense still puts up a lot of points. I will give you that Newton got us through the breaking in period of missing Tate. Everyone overlooks how good Tate actually was for us, he was a big guy who could run around a pile or drive the pile and he was our go to guy for third downs last year.
We just had a major void at running back and over the past 3 or 4 games that void has been filled by Dyer and OMac and Newton's carries have gone way down.
You guys don't understand the madness that is Malzahn. He adjusts his offenses to his personnel. So without Newton, Malzahn makes the adjustments needed and our offense still puts up a lot of points. I will give you that Newton got us through the breaking in period of missing Tate. Everyone overlooks how good Tate actually was for us, he was a big guy who could run around a pile or drive the pile and he was our go to guy for third downs last year.
We just had a major void at running back and over the past 3 or 4 games that void has been filled by Dyer and OMac and Newton's carries have gone way down.
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