re: CFB Coaches on the hot seat - SEC with two. One is #1

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Guess we should have fired him before last season. Maybe we could get Kiffin back.

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Well it sounds like you're content with Butch so...

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Kingsbury enters his fifth season in Lubbock with an overall record of 24-26 and a Big 12 record of 13-23.

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He's such a fraud, but the women think he's hot.

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Prof, no troll

Do you think Butch simply needs more time or what? Expectations should be higher for a program like Tennessee

The only reason I can think is that Tennessee goes through coaches like underwear and stability might be better than firing another underwhelming coach?

Just spitballing. Curious of your reasonings

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I'm honestly not sure where I come down on that because I don't really get into the backing coaches business. I'm for my alma mater not for any one coach but I suppose I'd say with Jones he's more on thin ice with me than anything. I don't think he's nearly as bad as perception and that anywhere else or even at Tennessee 2-3 coaches ago people would see the accomplishments clearly and balance that against the failures but since the whole escapade began with Fulmer's firing Jones gets the judgment/impatience of the entire time frame and everyone else's failures as well as his own. From where we were when he took over to where we are now is ginormous and a far greater feat than he's given credit for but it's also not the destination and he has to show he can get past 9 wins, although 8 regular season wins this season with a new QB and several big shoes to fill probably secure him another year. However, I can say that I really do like the offseason coaching changes that were made. Of course, I also think those coaching changes should've been made sooner, particularly with Azzanni and Martinez.

I'm not happy about last season but I also realize injuries took a huge toll and the Jalen 'Drama' Hurd did as well. Things weren't right with that team from the first snap and I think some of that was due to CBJ backing off some of the more physical practices to avoid the injuries we'd had in prior years (oh irony) and attitude problems like Hurd's. Whatever the reason they were an anomaly in the way they played and had the softest attitude I've seen out of any team he's fielded. It's notable that the green jerseys are locked in a secure vault this Spring.

CBJ is an odd one to evaluate, tbh. His coach speak drives me insane but he has shown the ability to change and grow and has already accomplished a great deal - it just seems quite small given the level we expect to be back at and patience is running thin not just because of his time but because of the collective time we've spent waiting. That said, the things that haunted us in 2016 were not the same ones that haunted us in 2015. So who the hell knows if he can change/adapt fast enough but he's definitely running out of time.

What if he fails to win the East again?

It depends on how he does it and what goes on behind the scenes with the new AD. A trainwreck season and a bad rep with the boss might put him out. A win in the east could buy him time even if he doesn't get along with Currie.

As long as we are in the competition come November, I don't think they will axe him. It will take the fans a few years of 8-4/9-4 to start clamoring for an upgrade.

Ut is head for a fairly mediocre season imo and will watch UF mosty likely in Hotlanta...and before anyone says we got our butts kicked by Bama...sure we did...but the past two SECCGs we were competitive early on.

We played a lot of true frosh by necessity and we will have pretty darn good defense contrary to what some hope for. If our offense is better...look out. One of our main problems was OL and we had a lot of true frosh and then true sophs starting...this year should be four upperclassmen and 1 soph that will provide a better run game and pass protection...you could start to see some of at end of last season.

UT comes to the Swamp along with LSU and the girls school. We have some home games and Meatchicken has been decimated by graduation and departures...we will seek revenge in Dallas.

Cant see Jones lasting too long but hey, hope he stays for a while and keeps the bricks a laying.

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Thanks for the post

I do feel like Tennessee had some things go against them that normally wouldn't. Injuries and what not.

I found the whole Hurd thing very strange. Not sure how much of that was on Jones or Hurd being an entitled little frick. Never seen something like that before.

The coach speak is hilarious though, and I look forward to more. No offense

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No problem. As for the Hurd thing, when his Mom took to twitter to diss Alvin Kamara during the combine it just kinda told me all I needed to know about the situation. The reason being is that a family member had gone ballistic when in 2015 some fans started saying that they thought AK might be better. The whole affair went on for months finally culminating in a 'maybe you'll get to see just how good he is next season when Jalen doesn't return' type post and the family member claiming Jalen was going to transfer.

This was all 'wtf' shite that happened on VN and so I naturally assumed it was complete and utter bullshite but it turns out I assumed wrong. Not only was a family member behind that account, some speculated it was a joint account because mom and step-dad had done something like that before when Hurd was in HS. At any rate, her tweets dissing AK "you'll soon see why he was the backup!" were completely in line with the tone of those VN posts.

I think JH just turned out to be a flake.

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This may surprise you but I'm not that interested in the East. I'm interested in winning the SEC. Right now, there hasn't been an SECe team in several years that won anything more than a boobie prize.

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Do I need to post the ring pic again?
You can't win the SEC without first winning the East and as lousy as it's been recently there's no excuse for Butch to go 5 years without winning it even once.

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IOW, until we can beat Bama I'd much rather beat UF than win the East.

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Sounds like beating us is a big deal.

So it's impossible to win in a rematch?