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re: Can we agree to the following method for National Champions? The SECR Method
Posted on 2/1/15 at 10:38 pm to JaxTiger10
Posted on 2/1/15 at 10:38 pm to JaxTiger10
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Sorry.no title you get VOTED into is legit.
I agree that using the "voting" technique flat out sucks (it reminds me of all of the controversies in the Olympics with sports like gymnastics, ice skating, and boxing that also use rating systems rather than head-to-head competition to determine champions--rating football teams just isn't all that much different...BYU of all teams scored a perfect 13-0 over Florida in 1984
). But the fact of the matter is that it's all we've got to go on for decades worth of college football.
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Posted on 2/1/15 at 10:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I don't know
Ole Miss won a Litkenhaus National Title and as we all know, they just dont give those to your everyday , run of the mill National Champions.
METHOD DENIED !
Ole Miss won a Litkenhaus National Title and as we all know, they just dont give those to your everyday , run of the mill National Champions.
METHOD DENIED !
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:31 am to SummerOfGeorge
If I recall LSU was coming into that game a little cocky having one the first. Les Miles said " I would be honered to play that team again." Referring to Bama of course.
Rematch was alright with LSU until kickoff huh.
Rematch was alright with LSU until kickoff huh.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:35 am to makersmark1
No. What about the years with champions with a loss leave it vacant?
So before the playoff if every team recieved one loss just end the season at that point? Might as well in your theory.
So before the playoff if every team recieved one loss just end the season at that point? Might as well in your theory.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 6:07 am to CCTider
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I'm cool with this system. But an exception be made for 1990. There was no way Colorado should've been voted #1 in the AP over Georgia Tech.
It is what it is. I'd accept an alternative poll for split champions, pre-BCS, provided it had a similar reputation (UPI, Coaches).
2003 is the only split in the BCS era, right? I'd let that one slide too.
As far as a clear rule, what's in the OP makes the most sense though (no exceptions).
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 6:11 am
Posted on 2/2/15 at 6:42 am to makersmark1
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I hereby claim all undefeated seasons as championships. So since 1992 in the SEC, Auburn has 3 championship seasons (1993,2004,2010), Bama has 2 (1992, 2009), Tennessee 1 (1998).
Well, Tulane went undefeated in 1998. Is that a split championship?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:26 am to WildTchoupitoulas
A&M went unbeaten in 1994
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:08 am to SummerOfGeorge
The only thing this thread has determined is that most people have very little understanding of football that happened outside of their own experiences.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:10 am to SummerOfGeorge
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pre-1936 : none
1936 - 1997 : AP Title
1998 - 2013 : BCS Title
2014 - present : CFP title
agree
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:51 am to WeeWee
There is only one way to settle this... vote on individual years with credible options.
The AP champion, other champions, teams who went undefeated...including bowl games.
WE DECIDE THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
The AP champion, other champions, teams who went undefeated...including bowl games.
WE DECIDE THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:56 am to SummerOfGeorge
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pre-1936 : none 1936 - 1997 : AP Title 1998 - 2013 : BCS Title 2014 - present : CFP title
I disagree.
That 1925 Rose Bowl should count as a NC for Bama. And if that one counts for Bama, I'm willing to count each of their Rose Bowl wins as NCs.
Furthermore, I think your criteria is too subjective.
I've presented this list to you in another thread, but I stand by it as being 1. 'official' (as official as it can) 2. unbiased (or at least minimum bias) and 3. independent of this site.
While not their comprehensive list, it is a subset of that list. I contend that in sub-setting the master list, the NCAA is giving more weight to these awards than others. I'm willing to acknowledge the NCAA sub-setted list as authoritative.
Alabama - 13 (1925, 1926, 1930, 1961, 1964, 1965, 1973, 1978, 1979, 1992, 2009, 2011, 2012)
LSU - 4 (1908, 1958, 2003, 2007)
UF - 3 (1996, 2006, 2008)
Auburn - 2 (1957, 2010)
UT - 2 (1951, 1998)
A&M - 2 (1919, 1939)
UGA - 1 (1980)
Ark - 1 (1964)
Mississippi - 1 (1960)
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:29 am to WildTchoupitoulas
Works for me. There's a certain fanbase on here who doesn't like that link at all though. 
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:30 am to TheDude321
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A problem with this is that early bowl games were usually described as "exhibition" games and weren't even tabulated with a team's won/loss records in most publications of that era. By the 1950s and '60s, pretty much everyone began counting it as a "real" game (and earlier bowl games have been retroactively counted as "real" games as well). Heck, the NCAA itself didn't even start combining stats from bowl games with the regular season stats until 2002.
Only sort of in the 50s and 60s, but coaches were also told that it still didn't matter in regards to who won the national championship and therefor they allowed players to treat bowl games as vacations.
That's the flaw in the arguments against some titles, as people seem to want to ignore when other teams either voluntarily or were prohibited from playing in the bowl games (basically getting a free pass instead of playing what may very well have been the best team they would face all year).
AP Poll - started in 1968 (with exception in 1965)
Coaches Poll - started in 1974
Years that a team won the national title without playing in a bowl game:
1936 - Minnesota (7-1) - only undefeated team, 8-0-1 Alabama
1937 - Pitt (9-0-1) - California finished 10-0-1 with win over #4 Alabama in Rose Bowl
1940 - Minnesota (8-0) - Stanford finished 10-0 with win in Rose Bowl
1941 - Minnesota (8-0)
1942 - Ohio State (9-1) - UGA finished 11-1 with a win in the Rose Bowl
1943 - Notre Dame (9-1)
1944 - Army (9-0)
1945 - Army (9-0) - Alabama finished 10-0 with win in the Rose Bowl
1946 - Notre Dame (8-0-1) - UGA finished 11-0 with win in Sugar Bowl
1947 - Notre Dame (9-0) - Michigan finished 10-0 with win in Rose Bowl
1948 - Michigan (9-0) - Clemson finished 11-0 with win in Gator Bowl
1949 - Notre Dame (10-0) - Oklahoma finished 11-0 with win in the Sugar Bowl
1952 - Michigan State (9-0) - GA Tech finished 12-0 with win in Sugar Bowl
1956 - Oklahoma (10-0)
1957 - Auburn (10-0)
1966 - Notre Dame (9-0-1) - Alabama finished 11-0 with win in Sugar Bowl
1974 - Oklahoma (11-0)
Yes, I know some of these were voluntarily not going to bowl games (ND, mostly) and some were contractual (Big 10 teams not allowed to play in the Rose Bowl the next year after they had been in one - basically reaffirming the status of bowl games as a vacation and were not taken TOO seriously by the schools), and three championship teams were on probation and ineligible.
There you go.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:39 am to skrayper
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1936 - Minnesota (7-1) - only undefeated team, 8-0-1 Alabama
Actually before their bowl game LSU was 9-0-1, Minnesota was 7-1-0, and Alabama was 8-0-1.
Before the bowl game was played, I believe LSU has the best claim to 1936. They finished the AP ranked #2, while Alabama finished #4.
Some say that the AP poll was resurrected to shaft LSU and give the title to Minn.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:00 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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Some say that the AP poll was resurrected to shaft LSU and give the title to Minn.
I don't know about that.
LSU: Williamson
Minnesota: AP, Dickinson (Rockne Trophy), Dunkel, Litkenhous, Poling
Pittsburgh: Boand, Houlgate
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:20 am to Korin
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I love how Auburn fans celebrate 1993 as if they actually won something.
Auburn won all 11 games they played, including the one against UF.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:24 am to SummerOfGeorge
I have to disagree on humanitarian grounds, because 50% of Bama fans would have to get rid of 90% of their wardrobes.
Besides the financial stress this would cause these poor unfortunates, the thought of that many hairy, tattoed, obese slobs going half-naked is too much to bear.
Besides the financial stress this would cause these poor unfortunates, the thought of that many hairy, tattoed, obese slobs going half-naked is too much to bear.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:33 am to BammerDelendaEst
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Auburn won all 11 games they played, including the one against UF.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:35 am to Douglas Green
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If I recall LSU was coming into that game a little cocky having one the first. Les Miles said " I would be honered to play that team again." Referring to Bama of course. Rematch was alright with LSU until kickoff huh.
LSU coming off of a SEC championship regular season, getting ready for a re-match against an SEC arch rival in a bowl game in New Orleans, after having beaten them in a low scoring, defensive struggle during the regular season. Tigers lose bowl game 21-0.
What year is it?
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