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re: Can Bama win a championship with a mediocre coach?

Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:47 pm to
Posted by Sewanee_Tiger
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:47 pm to
yes they can go away
Posted by AU_251
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:47 pm to
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A lot of people get called great men. Coach Stallings is truly one of them


I hardly know anything about Stallings, but what my dad tells me. My dad is an AU graduate and huge AU fan, but has always talked very highly of Stallings and likes him alot
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:48 pm to
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That is what I quoted.


Antonio Langham got Alabama in trouble by signing the napkin and then lying to Stallings about it when asked. Stallings and the rest of the Department didn't help the situation by not being proactive about everything.

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What does that have to do with coaching?


Specifically? Nothing, which is why it started with "and on top of all those things".

He may have been bad at A&M in the 1960's, but he was excellent at Alabama in the 1990's. He certainly was not a fraud.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:49 pm to
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A disaster of an SEC East


True, but his team had more issues than the other East contenders did, at least just as many.

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laughable OOC schedule


I mean - they played Florida State and 3 cupcakes. How is that any different than 90% of the SEC?

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easy West schedule


They played Ole Miss and LSU.........those teams finished #10 and #16 in America. They were the #2 and #3 teams in the SEC West. Not sure how that is "easy".
This post was edited on 8/18/16 at 12:51 pm
Posted by stomp
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:52 pm to
We already did....
Posted by cardboardboxer
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 12:57 pm to
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He may have been bad at A&M in the 1960's, but he was excellent at Alabama in the 1990's.


Fair enough.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:02 pm to
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Fair enough.


He also wasn't very good with the Cardinals in the 1980's. His hire was not one that excited very many people. But, it worked out pretty darned well. You never know.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:04 pm to
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He may have been bad at A&M in the 1960's


Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:06 pm to
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He also wasn't very good with the Cardinals in the 1980's. His hire was not one that excited very many people. But, it worked out pretty darned well. You never know.



So basically he was what Cock fans hope Coach Boom will be?

Fair enough.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:06 pm to
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We got to see Stallings up close outside of that world and he compiled a record of 27–45–1 at Texas A&M. Sumlin (who no one here respects as a coach) is 36-16 so far in comparison.


Because there's no way a guy who becomes a college head coach for the first time at 29 years old could possibly have learned anything by the time he takes a second college head job 25 years later.

But let's take a look at Stallings in comparison to other aTm coaches of the era not named Bear Bryant.

Gene was at aTm for 7 seasons, going 27-45-1. That's very convenient because there were 7 seasons between Bear's departure and Gene's arrival. Let's see what the record says about that time at aTm.

Well, I'll be danged. During that period the Aggies managed to follow up Bear with an overall record of 18-47-5.

How about before Bryant you ask? Well, we'll use the same time of 7 years. Sonofabiatch, look at that. The Aggies went 23-41-8.

So, maybe it just might possibly be that Stallings wasn't the fraud. Including Bryant's 4 years, we just reviewed a quarter century of Aggie football and the result is clear - other than the brief tenure of one of the greatest coaches in college football history, Gene Stallings at the ripe old age of 29 was the most successful Aggie coach of the era. It isn't his fault that his first job was at a dumpster fire.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:09 pm to
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So basically he was what Cock fans hope Coach Boom will be?


LOL - yea, if Boom got hired at South Carolina in 2030.
Posted by AU_251
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Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:10 pm to
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Gene Stallings at the ripe old age of 29 was the most successful Aggie coach of the era. It isn't his fault that his first job was at a dumpster fire.



Roasted
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:12 pm to
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He may have been bad at A&M in the 1960's


His record wasn't great but from the end of WW2 to the arrival of Emory Bellard, he was the most successful coach they had not named Bryant.

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He also wasn't very good with the Cardinals in the 1980's


We seem to do quite well with coaches that weren't particularly successful in the NFL.
Posted by Pygthagorean Theorem
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:21 pm to
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Well, I'll be danged. During that period the Aggies managed to follow up Bear with an overall record of 18-47-5.

How about before Bryant you ask? Well, we'll use the same time of 7 years. Sonofabiatch, look at that. The Aggies went 23-41-8.


Look at you, being sneaky and trying to compare results from the 1950s (the pre-Bryant Era) to what Stallings did in the late 1960's when we started to finally admit women. Talk about cherry picking.

What you didn't care to look up is how the coaches AFTER Stallings did so I will be happy to fill you in. The coach after Stallings (Emory Bellard) had a record of 48–27 with three top-15 finishes. He was followed by Tom Wilson who also had a winning record of 21-19. Then we get to Jackie Sherrill, who compiled a 52-28-1 record. Following him was R. C. Slocum with a 123–47–2 record.

So every single coach that followed Stallings until Fran had a winning record, and yet you want to call our program from that era a dumpster fire? bullshite

I can accept he got better as a coach over his career, but he was a shitty coach for us plain and simple.

Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:23 pm to
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His record wasn't great but from the end of WW2 to the arrival of Emory Bellard,


Aka he wasn't as good as the coach that came right after him (Bellard). Or the coach that came after him. Or the coach that came after him. Or the coach who came after him.

Posted by I-59 Tiger
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:24 pm to
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The coach after Stallings (Emory Bellard) had a record of 48–27 with three top-15 finishes


Why did he quit 5 games into the 1978 season?
Posted by AUTiger45
The Ham
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:28 pm to
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Yes and his name is Gene Stallings.
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:29 pm to
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Why did he quit 5 games into the 1978 season?



Because he lost back-to-back games to Houston and Baylor back before that was even slightly acceptable. He knew to quit while he was ahead and we still went 8-4 that year.

Unlike Stallings who we had to fire after four losing seasons in a row.
Posted by AUTiger45
The Ham
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Posted on 8/18/16 at 1:35 pm to
in fairness though, didnt you tell us your dad also really liked Malzahn's ability to scout and develop QBs?
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