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re: Brian Kelly Can't Recruit

Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:25 pm to
Posted by KirbySmartass
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:25 pm to
2025 recruiting class, lol, hang the fricking banner!
Posted by 167back
Dos Gris
Member since Jun 2012
4700 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:25 pm to
Name the biggest winner in south bend since uncle lou left?
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8093 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:27 pm to
Really though, who else on here is celebrating 2025 recruiting classes?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:30 pm to
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Notre Dame hasn't even won a major bowl game in 30 years.

Wasn't Kelly the coach of ND for half of those years?

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That's a great indicator of the ceiling they have in the modern era.


Maybe. Maybe not. I mean until recently Georgia's ceiling was pretty fixed and so was Clemson's.

But you sidestepped my question. Do titles have an expiration date and does LSU still count 1958?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:33 pm to
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Honest question so we can move on. Has ND been on LSU’s level over the past 25 years?


What level would that be? Have they won National Championships? No. But they have played for them. And lest you forget....Kelly was the coach at ND during the time frame you set. So, I guess the answer is no. ND has not been on the same level as LSU while Kelly was their coach.

Look. I am not setting the parameters. Y'all are.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52739 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 4:35 pm to
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Wasn't Kelly the coach of ND for half of those years?

No, closer to a third

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Maybe. Maybe not. I mean until recently Georgia's ceiling was pretty fixed and so was Clemson's.


I mean those teams still managed to win major bowl games.

Notre Dame wasn't doing it before Kelly and they haven't done it after him either.

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But you sidestepped my question. Do titles have an expiration date and does LSU still count 1958?


You didn't ask me this question but regardless, yes titles still count but it's clear that Notre Dame isn't the contender that they once were. They've fallen behind in a lot of ways.
Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
22926 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:09 pm to
42-28
Posted by chili dogs
Member since Sep 2013
359 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:28 pm to
You do realize he took over a program with 39 scholarship players on the roster. Oh and BTW, got to the SECCG in his first year.
Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
41920 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 5:37 pm to
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Really though, who else on here is celebrating 2025 recruiting classes?


You can just ignore or not read it
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
10881 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:14 pm to
If winning natties and then having a couple of down years will get you fired at LSU Grinding Brian is safe. He will never come close to a Natty. At LSU or anyplace else
Posted by SaturdayNAthens
Georgia
Member since Dec 2017
10881 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:16 pm to
And we all remember how that 3 loss LSU team did against UGA. Georgia laid 50 on them before Kirby called off the Dawgs. Very charitable of him
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 6:16 pm to
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He will never come close to a Natty. At LSU or anyplace else
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
3235 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:21 pm to
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Kelly is now asserting his will... scary for rest of the league.


I was already terrified..... At his grinding on HS kids. What's he doing now... That's the really scary thought

But good news LSU... It looks like he's going to leave the cupboard stocked
Posted by AU_251
Your dads room
Member since Feb 2013
11559 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:21 pm to
lol let us know how it works out for ya
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9443 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:26 pm to
ND has the second most NFL pro bowlers this season with 6. Bama has 7. All those ND guys are Kelly's former players. Kelly could always recruit. He hasn't won big games. That's his only knock.

LINK
This post was edited on 1/7/24 at 7:29 pm
Posted by Aguga
Southeast
Member since Aug 2021
2014 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 7:38 pm to
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How were his last 4? Recent history and all. That's about what the legendary nic saban avg at LSU.


BK isn’t on the same planet as NS.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 8:10 pm to
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Wasn't Kelly the coach of ND for half of those years?


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No, closer to a third


Ok. A third. He averages around 3-4 losses a year whether at LSU or at ND. Seems like Brian Kelly has more of a ceiling than ND.

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I mean those teams still managed to win major bowl games.

Yet Brian Kelly has been unable to win a major bowl game, either, hasn't he?

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Notre Dame wasn't doing it before Kelly and they haven't done it after him either.

Makes you wonder how they became a Blueblood if they could not do it before Brian Kelly.

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You didn't ask me this question but regardless, yes titles still count but it's clear that Notre Dame isn't the contender that they once were. They've fallen behind in a lot of ways.


True. But you inserted yourself into the conversation, did you not? I really don't have time to go back and check every post an LSU fan makes and then repeat every question so every single LSU fan can ignore it.

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it's clear that Notre Dame isn't the contender that they once were.
Well, that's not true. Contender?
Since 2018 ND has made the playoffs twice (2018, 2020), which is more than LSU has in that time frame. No doubt LSU makes better use of their opportunities when they make the playoffs, and that is great by me. I really don't like ND at all.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58915 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 8:18 pm to
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That's SIX in a row for CBK.


Actually he just got his 7th 10 win season in a row.
Posted by captdalton
Member since Feb 2021
8093 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 8:27 pm to
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If winning natties and then having a couple of down years will get you fired at LSU Grinding Brian is safe. He will never come close to a Natty. At LSU or anyplace else


This is actually interesting. I had never thought of it this way. In Ed Orgeron’s last 5 seasons he went:

9-4
10-3
15-0
5-5
6-6

That is a record of 45-18. If you remove 2020, which LSU fans say doesn’t count at all and should be ignored, his record was 40-13. That is a 75% winning percentage. That is damn good. Right on par with Brian Kelly’s 74% winning percentage at LSU.

Even if you count 2020 coach O still had a 71% winning percentage. Still way better than LSU’s all time win percentage of 61%.

Did coach O get fired for going 15-0 and building unreasonable expectations? Sure looks like that from the outside looking in.

Posted by lsusteve1
Member since Dec 2004
41920 posts
Posted on 1/7/24 at 8:54 pm to
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Did coach O get fired for going 15-0 and building unreasonable expectations? Sure looks like that from the outside looking in.




Yeah, that’s why he got fired

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