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re: Breaking Dartmouth first D1 school to Vote to unionize.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:54 pm to bigDgator
Posted on 3/5/24 at 5:54 pm to bigDgator
I’m starting to lean that way as well. Last couple of years I’ve spent my saturdays doing something besides sitting in front of the tv.
Let them unionize and schools set the wage they are willing to pay based on skills. Eliminate scholarships, nutrition, medical etc. Athletes can enroll into school sponsored insurance, continuing education programs, etc like corporate America. Let’s move this along to where it’s heading.
Let them unionize and schools set the wage they are willing to pay based on skills. Eliminate scholarships, nutrition, medical etc. Athletes can enroll into school sponsored insurance, continuing education programs, etc like corporate America. Let’s move this along to where it’s heading.
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Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:22 pm to BevoBucks
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Athletic departments need to prepare internally for that inevitable outcome. With the NCAA out of the picture, it’s just a matter of time before some lawyer convinces a major program’s football players to collectively tell their school they need a slice of the pie or see you in court.
So why do you think that idea is now being pushed by an Ivy League school?
Do you think it's an accident?
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:25 pm to paperwasp
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I'm starting to see some counter arguments to this, and one appears to be "stop paying football coaches so much." (so there's more money to pay athletes)
That's just stupid on the part of those making the argument. A great coach is worth far more than even a great quarterback.
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:29 pm to Hot_in_the_box
Going to be interesting in right to work states….theyre liable to find themselves in a competitive disadvantage recruiting against schools where organized labor is a dirty word.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:30 pm to Evolved Simian
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What does a union employee athlete at Dartmouth ask for? A percentage of the zero profit they make? A salary from the revenue they don't generate? Health care that they already have for free?
All this is going to do is kill programs at a lot of places.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:35 pm to Evolved Simian
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What does a union employee athlete at Dartmouth ask for? A percentage of the zero profit they make? A salary from the revenue they don't generate? Health care that they already have for free?
As a union man myself, this was my first question. I'm sure Dartmouth basketball is operating at a loss. These kids are getting an Ivy League education, free room and board, and world class healthcare for free.
What exactly are their demands?
And what about Title IX? No women's sport anywhere makes money; are they really going to start making demands when they are universally a net drain on their respective universities?
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:35 pm to bigDgator
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Man I don't know, I think I am done. College athletics has been a fun pastime of mine, but I don't support where it is headed.
They want middle America burned to the ground - what we are, what we love, they want it gone
you know who "they" are
this is all intentional, straight from the Ivy League of course
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:36 pm to Evolved Simian
Yes a coach or a ceo is more valuable than average employee. But when scale of compensation is not aligned, then you have issues. Some companies aligned ceo salary to that of employees. Ceo couldn’t make more until employees did. The fair market value for coaches is crazy.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:36 pm to Carolina_Tiger
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schools will start dropping sports like flies. You already don't make any money keeping women's field hockey in your department, and now the players can strike and demand x y or z, there's no point. smaller schools might do what St Francis U in Brooklyn did and just drop athletics altogether
This is not a bad thing. There are only about 40 or so programs playing the game as it’s played in the SEC. The other 100 or so have no business trying to compete at that level. Title IX has been a terrible concept from the get go. There is no reason that those 100 or so schools can’t continue to play at a lower level with the pre NIL model…but the other 40 are operating in a multi billion dollar a year industry paying coaches insane salaries and financing women’s equestrian teams and not paying labor costs. Considering the demographics involved it’s an insanely bad
look and should have ended 40 years ago. The market is obviously there….not paying for labor is just insane
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:39 pm to Hot_in_the_box
Posted on 3/5/24 at 6:41 pm to AlterDWI
it's a push by elitists and elitist behemoth law firms
Posted on 3/5/24 at 7:04 pm to Torqued Pork
Are you implying union member hate America?
Posted on 3/5/24 at 7:09 pm to Carolina_Tiger
quote:no might to it. not just smaller schools.
smaller schools might
Posted on 3/5/24 at 7:10 pm to Harry Rex Vonner
It was pushed when universities were making millions on the backs of well under paid labor. Coaches getting 10 mill a year… buy outs 10s of millions, tv rev out of this world and players get a scholarship ( renewed yearly) food and board during the school year. Something had to give. Now they can collective bargain as a group. Solidarity.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 7:25 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
How much salary does a third string tight end with two catches in a season deserve?
Will a coach be able to cut underperforming players or will the union protect them from being fired?
Will a coach be able to cut underperforming players or will the union protect them from being fired?
This post was edited on 3/5/24 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 3/5/24 at 7:27 pm to GeauxtigersMs36
I’ve always been in the camp that a scholarship towards an education was adequate compensation. But with the tv revenue and escalating coaches salaries, I don’t blame the athletes. The players are the product. If coaches are cashing in why shouldn’t players.
Posted on 3/5/24 at 7:30 pm to Hot_in_the_box
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