re: Better trajectory - TCU or TAMU?

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No one that knew what they were talking about said that.

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you just think we disagree.

How about Baylor, Oregon, TCU fans go back to your boards if you have one.

This board is for SEC fans discussing SEC big boy football.

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This is the same thing that was said about Oregon. It might be true, it might not, Claiming certainty in either direction is ridiculous. Briles' son is now our OC, there is certainly a reasonable hope of continuity for Baylor.

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There's the hope, but its the hope that just about every other team has to make a great hire. Art Briles isn't going to retire soon, so you've got that going for you. But is little Briles going to stick around until the job opens up? Not if he's really any good. He may not even stay as OC at Baylor, thinking he needs to go somewhere else to show he can succeed on his own. There's no guarantee he would be coming back.

Plus, there's always the chance that the son of even a great coach is a failure when he tries to follow in daddy's footsteps. (see Dooley, Shula in football, Knight in basketball).

Hell, if Strong keeps fricking up in Austin, Briles might replace him. By that time Patterson probably won't be worried about insisting on an interview.

Baylor and TCU have the advantage of being in Texas, close to a wealth of talent. But that's an advantage over schools in places like Nebraska or other wastelands. It's certainly not an advantage over a program like Texas A&M.

From 2000 until now they have went: WAC--> CUSA--> Mountain West--> Big 12

From 2000 until now we played in the big 12 south during peak stoops Oklahoma, peak Mack brown Texas, peak leach Texas tech, the start of Briles at Baylor. Snyder at KSU and Pinkel at mizzou. hell even OKST under gundy. All of those teams saw time in the top 10.

It wasn't the SEC, but it was tougher then than it is now, and it certainly was more competitive than TCUs conference parade.

Since '12 we've been SECw and I don't have to say anything about that.

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But now that Oregon is a winner, it can continue being a winner based on that. the recruiting pitch in Oregon now is the same as Baylor.

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You aren't even on the same planet as the truth no offense.

Oregon is not a winner just because of uniforms. Oregon is a winner because Phil dumped over a hundred million dollars counting free Nike stuff into that program. Their success is partially based off that flash yes, but is is also based on some of the nicest facilities for football on the whole planet paid for by Phil. Those will be there after any current coach leaves, and those are what change the game for a decade plus for a program like that.

Does Baylor have top five in the nation facilities to push to recruits when Briles leaves? Does TCU? Despite improvements in both programs the answer is no.

That is where you and I disagree though, and from your perspective I would do the same. I would deny the importance of things like facilities and conferences too.

Personally I would rather hang my future hopes on a 100k+ stadium, the best TV deal in football (for money and exposure), and top five in the nation facilities than the coach's kid. But we all cling to hope where we can. That is being human.

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Hell, if Strong keeps fricking up in Austin, Briles might replace him. By that time Patterson probably won't be worried about insisting on an interview.

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Not happening. Look, I loathe Baylor, but Briles isn't leaving. UTw called him to see if he wanted to interview for the job that Strong ended up getting. Briles told them, yes, but not until after Baylor's bowl game. UTw said no, now. Briles felt (deservedly so) that what he had done at Baylor WAS the interview and that UTw should just make him an offer. That decision to try to strong-arm him into an interview prior to Baylor's bowl game royally infuriated Briles, who is a grudge-holder on the level of Stalin. Both parties are mad at each other. UTw because Briles dared to be bigger than their program, and Briles because of UTw's disrespect and high-handedness.

Besides, Briles has an out in his Baylor contract where he doesn't have to go around doing coach's nights and kissing babies. Briles is an angry codger with no charisma who hates the media. Baylor coddles him in that respect. Anywhere else, UTw particularly, and he'd have to do the used car salesman gig that other coaches are contractually obligated to. He's well aware of that.

I hear what you're saying, but if we have 2-3 years of Strong failing miserably and Briles at his ceiling because at Baylor he just can't bring in the talent he needs, then attitudes might be different. If the Strong gamble fails, then UTx is going to be even more desperate for a sure thing. And with Briles' success just 90 miles away, and in the same conference, I'm betting even the horn "big cigars" might swallow their pride.

If Strong goes, it's a good bet Patterson will also be shown the door.

And besides, for the purpose of this discussion, it isn't necessary that Briles leaves for Austin. He could potentially go to Norman, too. Or any number of other destinations that would give him a better chance to win a championship.

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In a manner of speaking. The reason for Oregon's continued success is their past success. Which is why the recent of success of Baylor and TCU can't be assumed to be anomalous.

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A comparison can be made, but it's a weak one.

Here's why: the University of Oregon is located in Eugene. Have you ever been there? It's extremely nice. Green as all get-out, settled in some low mountains, tons to do outside, very prosaic. Oregon makes their bones recruiting-wise off of attracting California and what PNW talent there is by mating this pretty location with Phil Knight's largesse that's allowed them to build the top facilities and accomidations in the country. PLUS, Phil Knight and his connections have undoubtedly created a behind-the-scenes hype machine. They have Phil Knight running their PR game as well, which is something a lot of commentators on this thread are missing.

Contrast that with Baylor. Baylor's located right on the roadside of godawful I35 in terrible, terrible Waco; one of America's worst small cities. Y'all aren't recruiting kids to Eugene. I'm sure Baylor has plans to upgrade facilities, but you're kidding yourself if you think they'll be as nice as Oregon's. And Phil Knight isn't running Baylor's PR machine, so they have way, way less hype potential than Oregon, particularly since BU is a Baptist school, not a public U.

Baylor is not the Oregon of the Southwest. They are a school that is currently benefitting from a perfect storm of 1) Fantastic head coach 2) OU and UT both being down 3) Daddy A&M not being around to beat them every year and add an extra loss.

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If Strong goes, it's a good bet Patterson will also be shown the door.

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My prediction is that Patterson is shown the door a year before Strong, so I agree.