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Posted on 7/14/17 at 1:40 pm to bamawriter
Posted on 7/14/17 at 1:40 pm to bamawriter
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So, you think Miles outcoached Saban, or that his coaching was on par with Saban's?
How did you come to that conclusion ?
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Posted on 7/14/17 at 1:41 pm to Irons Puppet
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How did you come to that conclusion ?
There were two parts to the question, Corky. If Saban did not outcoach Miles, than logic dictates that Miles either outcoached Saban or was at least on par with him.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 7/14/17 at 1:42 pm to Irons Puppet
Based on results, it has to be Saban.
Petrino was a great game day coach for the Hogs. But, no other coach in the SEC sticks out, to me.
Petrino was a great game day coach for the Hogs. But, no other coach in the SEC sticks out, to me.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 1:46 pm to bamawriter
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If Saban did not outcoach Miles, than logic dictates that Miles either outcoached Saban or was at least on par with him.
Bama logic I guess.
No, that game was won because of Les Miles incompetency. His pregame prep made them easy pickings for Saban.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 1:50 pm to Irons Puppet
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His pregame prep made them easy pickings for Saban.
Okay. So Saban was way better than Miles in the lead-up to the game, but there was no discernible difference between the two during the game?
Posted on 7/14/17 at 1:52 pm to bamawriter
No major football power has ever been coached on game day more erratically and unpredictably as LSU under Coach Les Miles.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 1:55 pm to Irons Puppet
Mullen right? I mean he has the least talent of anyone in the west yet still keeps MSU bowl eligible every year.
Dude can't recruit at all so he has to be a great game day coach.
Dude can't recruit at all so he has to be a great game day coach.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 2:04 pm to bamawriter
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Okay. So Saban was way better than Miles in the lead-up to the game, but there was no discernible difference between the two during the game?
The reason I asked about being the best game day coach.
With Les, you can not gauge how another coach performed against him because he usually shot himself in the foot.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 2:08 pm to Irons Puppet
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With Les, you can not gauge how another coach performed against him because he usually shot himself in the foot.
So, the coach who didn't shoot himself in the foot during the game wasn't better than the one who did?
I'd turn your little quip around on you and call this "barner logic," but the vast majority of barners aren't this fricking stupid.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/14/17 at 2:10 pm to Irons Puppet
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Never saw an Alabama Game under Saban where afterwards I thought Saban just outcoached the other team. He does it in recruiting and Monday thru Friday.
I thought the same thing until the first Clemson national championship game. He flat-out out-coached Dabo in that game. Clemson out played Bama that day. It's hard to tell with Saban though, because most of their games are over by halftime.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 2:18 pm to bamawriter
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So, the coach who didn't shoot himself in the foot during the game wasn't better than the one who did?
I'd turn your little quip around on you and call this "barner logic," but the vast majority of barners aren't this fricking stupid.
What is fricking stupid is that you can not see that Saban didn't outcoach Les during the 60 min of the game. He outcoached him in the days leading up to the game. He just executed the gameplan (which he could have done from his livingroom), and Les was too incompetent to adjust his.
Les's ability to frick up a game is displayed perfectly during last years Auburn Game. Do you think Gus outcoached him during that game ? That is why I have to throw out any game that Les coached in to fit the criteria of one coach outcoaching another during the game.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 2:19 pm to Irons Puppet
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Les was too incompetent to adjust his.
You could almost say that he was outcoached.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 2:29 pm to Irons Puppet
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He just executed the gameplan (which he could have done from his livingroom), and Les was too incompetent to adjust his.
In what world is that not outcoaching?
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Do you think Gus outcoached him during that game ?
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That is why I have to throw out any game that Les coached in to fit the criteria of one coach outcoaching another during the game
Because those games blow up your bullshite?
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:13 pm to HempHead
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Les was too incompetent to adjust his.
You could almost say that he was outcoached.
Out coaching another coach is when you leave a game and you say that one coach did something to counter what the other coach was doing successfully.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:19 pm to Irons Puppet
That seems like a very arbitrary and convenient definition.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:27 pm to Irons Puppet
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Out coaching another coach is when you leave a game and you say that one coach did something to counter what the other coach was doing successfully.
So you can't have outcoached your opponent unless you start off being outcoached?
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:28 pm to bamawriter
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So you can't have outcoached your opponent unless you start off being outcoached?
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:33 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:Unbeknownst to an Auburn fan with Gus Malzhan as HC.....recruiting and the details addressed Monday thru Friday are what win games. Having your team prepared, making damn sure you have a game plan for the opponent you are scheduled to play on Saturday are important. Saban is top shelf at preparing his entire team for competition, the results speak for themselves.
Never saw an Alabama Game under Saban where afterwards I thought Saban just outcoached the other team. He does it in recruiting and Monday thru Friday.
Why put yourself, your coaches, your players in a position where the HC has to make spur of the moment decisions?
Why force your scheme when it may not be effective for the opponent you face on Saturday? Why be so anal and scripted that you can't make adjustments when it's blatantly obvious your plan isn't working? Why not plan, prepare and adjust Monday-Friday and avoid having to make off the cuff decisions and risk your the Head Coach looking lost, confused, ill equipped and down right inept on the sidelines?
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:44 pm to Irons Puppet
quote:That's one way to look at it. Another way is to prepare your team and staff before the game so that everyone knows their job, and executes it to the point where the game is never in question. Saban has done a pretty good job of that, in fact he's 74-13 in this conference in the last decade.
Out coaching another coach is when you leave a game and you say that one coach did something to counter what the other coach was doing successfully.
Posted on 7/14/17 at 3:46 pm to RT1941
This is a good theory and it works with great head coaches.
However,one can be outcoached as a result of gameday mistakes or strokes of genius
Les Miles has distinguished himself with some spectacular game day buffoonery from time to time. These have not always resulted in losses, but you could hardly attribute the wins to coaching.
However,one can be outcoached as a result of gameday mistakes or strokes of genius
Les Miles has distinguished himself with some spectacular game day buffoonery from time to time. These have not always resulted in losses, but you could hardly attribute the wins to coaching.
This post was edited on 7/14/17 at 3:47 pm
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