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re: Bamas decline on defense
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:57 pm to DMagic
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:57 pm to DMagic
Bovine droppings. One fluke and one illegal play gone and you didn't have 300 yards total. Ole Miss had 96 yards and 17 points at the half.
You could have put the ball at the Ole Miss 20 and told them to have at it and they would have been very hard pressed to ever get into the end zone. I would go so far as to say if you replayed that game this Saturday the Akbars would be getting points in Vegas.
You could have put the ball at the Ole Miss 20 and told them to have at it and they would have been very hard pressed to ever get into the end zone. I would go so far as to say if you replayed that game this Saturday the Akbars would be getting points in Vegas.
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Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:58 pm to thunderbird1100
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Secondary loaded with 4 and 5 star players and it's flat out, well, stunk the last 2 seasons.
Some of those 4 & 5 stars just simply haven't worked out, which is evidenced by the fact that Bama started 3 freshmen against Ole Miss.
They gave up the tip td and one long pass but otherwise they played very effectively against a good spread offense. Time will tell, but I'm cautiously optimistic about this year's team.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:59 pm to boXerrumble
defense is looking up this year, you better recognize
Posted on 9/25/15 at 12:59 pm to narddogg81
quote:Lack of talent?
Last year it was just a lack of talent, every good player we have had in the secondary left early several years in a row, so we were using a hodge podge of converted wrs and a bunch of 3 star guys.
Bradley Sylve 4*
Marlon Humphrey 5*
Maurice Smith 4*
Cyrus Jones 4*
Tony Brown 5*
Eddie Jackson 3*
Landon Collins 5*
Laurence "Hootie" Jones 4*
Nick Perry 4*
Jabriel Washington 3*
Jarrick Williams 4*
Geno Smith 4*
I see two 3 stars.
quote:English, please.
This year is actually been much better
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:00 pm to Buckeye06
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He is getting exposed on long bombs often now
Somewhat. In just about all of our losses the last few years, the opposing QB has played a near flawless game. There have been many of those long throws where our DB has had great coverage, but the throw is just too good, or the WR makes a great play on the ball.
Even back when our DB's were a lot better it was happening. Stephen Garcia shredded us in 2010, and pretty sure every DB on that team played, or still plays, in the NFL. Many of those plays were very well defended, he just put the ball exactly where he needed to.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:00 pm to TTsTowel
db's haven't had "it" except for like 1 safety a year. LB's didn't quite have the top flight speed we needed in our system.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:00 pm to antibarner
If you take away Cam Robinson you wouldn't have had 500 yards and would've struggled to get to 250 honestly even at 100 plays. We would've caused double digit turnovers. Take away the illegal tipped ball and we win by three TDs anyway.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:07 pm to The Spleen
quote:I don't think that's the case. I think it's more of the type of quarterback Alabama has faced.
In just about all of our losses the last few years, the opposing QB has played a near flawless game.
Cam Newton
Johnny Manziel
Chad Kelly
Cardale Jones
Bo Wallace
Trevor Knight
Stephen Garcia
Tim Tebow
All the quarterback above could not only beat the defense with their arm, but also their legs. They all extended plays against Alabama's defense with their legs and arm. They were able to spread the field out and each team had an almost-comparable talent set on the field. Alabama's defense is more so built to stop offenses like LSU, Arkansas, etc...not teams like Auburn, Florida (of the old), Texas A&M, Ole Miss and Ohio State. And it seems like any time Alabama faces any quarterback that is capable of being a good passer, they struggle (much like every other college team). You HAVE to be able to pass to beat Alabama, though.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:13 pm to TTsTowel
In just about all those examples, the QB played an outstanding game. I don't think Cam had an incomplete pass in the 2nd half of the 2010 Iron Bowl.
No, you have to be balanced. Saban's defenses are predicated on taking away the offense's strength. If it's a pass heavy team, he wants to make them run. If it's a run heave team, he wants to make them throw. Almost without exception, our losses the past few years have been to teams that have been able to establish offensive balance. The Ole Miss game this past week may be the lone exception.
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You HAVE to be able to pass to beat Alabama, though.
No, you have to be balanced. Saban's defenses are predicated on taking away the offense's strength. If it's a pass heavy team, he wants to make them run. If it's a run heave team, he wants to make them throw. Almost without exception, our losses the past few years have been to teams that have been able to establish offensive balance. The Ole Miss game this past week may be the lone exception.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:16 pm to The Spleen
quote:Yeah, agreed, but they all played outstanding because of their skill set and the given offense. They also played off of Alabama's defensive weaknesses.
In just about all those examples, the QB played an outstanding game.
quote:That's in-part of what I'm saying. Passing is more important than running, though. You have to be able to do both.
No, you have to be balanced.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:17 pm to The Spleen
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In just about all those examples, the QB played an outstanding game. I don't think Cam had an incomplete pass in the 2nd half of the 2010 Iron Bowl.
I think Cardale Jones played average against Bama, at least passing the ball. He made some clutch throws but was something like 16/30 if I recall. OSU basically ran the ball better than almost anyone has been able to do since 2007, mostly to the outside but also got some push up the middle
There is no perfect defense, and as offenses evolve, and rules change to help offenses, it will be difficult to have the "perfect defense."
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:20 pm to Buckeye06
we need big lb's with good speed in our d. haven't had that a ton lately, depreist for example just didn't seem to be fast enough on the field, and last year Ragland going out really hurt us in that game (yall took it to us, just saying it was a big loss for us stopping the run). We were very very thing at LB last year as foster couldn't be trusted on d at that point.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:22 pm to TTsTowel
Yeah, we're probably saying he same thing, just in a different way. My main point is, despite the supposed decline, teams still have to have really good play from their QB to beat Bama.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:22 pm to DMagic
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If you take away Cam Robinson you wouldn't have had 500 yards and would've struggled to get to 250 honestly even at 100 plays. We would've caused double digit turnovers. Take away the illegal tipped ball and we win by three TDs anyway.
Cam's struggled some this year. So I don't think taking him out would've cut Bama's yards in half and twice the TOs. You're kinda reaching there.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:24 pm to Sneaky__Sally
quote:That's the thing, those are rare.
we need big lb's with good speed in our d
And as history tells it, Nick Saban's defense would rather have big, slow linebackers than small, fast linebackers. He runs a "stop the run first" defense and that's why it struggles against certain offenses...
He seems to be trying to transition to a more "speedy" defense as of late with recruiting.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:26 pm to The Spleen
quote:Oh, no doubt. It's imperative that the quarterback play is good.
My main point is, despite the supposed decline, teams still have to have really good play from their QB to beat Bama.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 1:29 pm to DMagic
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you take away Cam Robinson you wouldn't have had 500 yards and would've struggled to get to 250 honestly even at 100 plays. We would've caused double digit turnovers. Take away the illegal tipped ball and we win by three TDs anyway.
Do you think anyone takes you seriously?
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:12 pm to Aman
I mean as I said to someone the other day, over the last 2 years we have only had 1 guy in the secondary that will play on Sundays and that is Landon Collins. Cyrus Jones, geno smith, maurice smith, nick perry, eddie jackson, bradley sylve all will never play a down in the NFL. That is the problem. Marlon Humphrey and Tony Brown may play, but those other guys have no shot. Either they were over ranked or saban has not developed them.
Its really hard to question Saban and Ive tried defending him, but I really truly believe he's done a poor job the last two years. Whether its been the play calling on offense or the scheme on defense he really hasn't made any adjustments that have worked. Alabama used to run this complex defense and blitz with guys that wouldn't appear to be, and maybe the spread has changed the way he has to call the game. But it just seems to me, that they don't put any pressure on the qb and they sit back and just let the other team punch them in the face by completing 10-15 yard passes.
just my 2 cents
Its really hard to question Saban and Ive tried defending him, but I really truly believe he's done a poor job the last two years. Whether its been the play calling on offense or the scheme on defense he really hasn't made any adjustments that have worked. Alabama used to run this complex defense and blitz with guys that wouldn't appear to be, and maybe the spread has changed the way he has to call the game. But it just seems to me, that they don't put any pressure on the qb and they sit back and just let the other team punch them in the face by completing 10-15 yard passes.
just my 2 cents
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:35 pm to boXerrumble
I think the key is the proliferation of the spread/read-option offense. Nick Saban clearly doesn't understand it. He can't defend it and this year, as he's tried to implement it in his own offense, it isn't working.
Unless he unlearns some of his old school thinking about the roles of of defensive positions, he may just need to retire.
He clearly doesn't understand why or how the spread-option works.
Unless he unlearns some of his old school thinking about the roles of of defensive positions, he may just need to retire.
He clearly doesn't understand why or how the spread-option works.
Posted on 9/25/15 at 2:36 pm to nebraskafaninwi
quote:Well I hope he enjoys that cluster frick
Saban is headed to Indy after the season. The owner of the Colts went for Saban back in the 1990's and will be going after him again this season.
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