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Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:28 am to Restomod
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But NFL executives believed that having many of the best players in the country squaring off in physically demanding practices and then playing games in the top college football conference took its toll.
And what was beyond question was that many NFL executives noticed the trend last year and were factoring it into the selections they made.
It wasn't as if they were taking Alabama players off their boards, but they were aware that some came with medical risks. Those questions repeatedly were raised before the 2013 NFL draft -- and they will be there again before the 2014 draft.
As I was saying.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:29 am to Patton
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It really is just because how dominant out oline is
This combined with their run styles. They aren't Brandon Jacobs 240 pound RBs but they seem to try and play like him. When your OLine isn't great in the NFL combined with better players it is a recipe for average. Oh and Mark Ingram can't find a hole. His vision is
Eddie Lacy is a boss hog
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:30 am to joeyb147
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You only have two RBs that have scored more than 1 TD this entire year.
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Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:30 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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All I am saying is NFL scouts are starting to take into consideration the wear and tear of being in bama's program. And it is not the wear and tear from games. It is the practices and the level of competition in those practices.
I love the way we practice so much harder than everyone else. I hope none of the other coaches learn that practicing intently makes a team successful. Our coach is such an innovator.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:30 am to SECSolomonGrundy
quote:And his only TD on the year.
here ya go
Congrats on your 3rd string RB scoring a TD on a 3 win team?
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:30 am to Restomod
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same sentiments are in this article
that article mentions 8 Alabama players. All of which were drafted in the first round except for Eddie Lacy and Jesse Williams. so, that doesn't really do much to prove your point that some teams WONT draft bama players.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:30 am to elposter
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:31 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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But NFL executives believed that having many of the best players in the country squaring off in physically demanding practices and then playing games in the top college football conference took its toll.
A lot of guys playing for other teams in the SEC are doing just fine in the league.
I truly believe that Saban runs a system similar to how Mike Leach ran a system at Texas Tech. He coaches his players for his system and when the leave, they don't adapt well outside of it. Their DBs can't backpedal for instance because he doesn't teach it
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:32 am to bama1959
quote:Trent Richardson and Mark Ingram averaged more carries a game than Lattimore. In fact, Trent Richardson in 2011 averaged more carries a game (21.77) than anybody else and only 2 players since 2007 have averaged more carries a game than him.
Now if you want to talk about an over used back then go see USC and Lattimore.
Do you want to keep talking?
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:32 am to NYCAuburn
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who is the third
Fowler is a RB. He has scored 4 TDs.
This post was edited on 11/13/13 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:33 am to SECSolomonGrundy
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that article mentions 8 Alabama players. All of which were drafted in the first round except for Eddie Lacy and Jesse Williams. so, that doesn't really do much to prove your point that some teams WONT draft bama players.
I said some players, never said all, and never said all scouts.
Repeating what Mayock said, be mad at him.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:33 am to Bama98
That is just dumb.
Coaches are paid to win - you will not start you if you suck. It is a business. Fact: Bama has 3 guys starting in the pros.
Lacy is doing very well as a rookie - does not look beat up at all.
Trent may be struggling a bit with a new team but was a bruiser last year - not exactly beat up.
Ingram has been hurt and has not put up the production we thought he would. Then again, he is normally only in on 1st & 2nd down and he shares carries on those downs. He is probably in the wrong system for his style too.
Whoever said that on the radio, is an idiot who knows nothing about football . . . and probably a Bama hater. Call in and call him out on it.
Coaches are paid to win - you will not start you if you suck. It is a business. Fact: Bama has 3 guys starting in the pros.
Lacy is doing very well as a rookie - does not look beat up at all.
Trent may be struggling a bit with a new team but was a bruiser last year - not exactly beat up.
Ingram has been hurt and has not put up the production we thought he would. Then again, he is normally only in on 1st & 2nd down and he shares carries on those downs. He is probably in the wrong system for his style too.
Whoever said that on the radio, is an idiot who knows nothing about football . . . and probably a Bama hater. Call in and call him out on it.
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Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:39 am to Restomod
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I said some players, never said all, and never said all scouts.
no you said some scouts WONT draft bama players, but you've only provided evidence of players who have been drafted in the first 3 rounds. you haven't shown any examples of a player who didn't get drafted or of a specific team that passed on a specific player because he was "damaged goods"
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There are scouts that will not draft some Bama players because they feel Saban extracts 100% out of them and are damaged goods by the time they make it took the league.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 11:39 am to Bama98
People on here are so dumb.
Check out Barry Sanders and Herschal Walkers number of carries in college.
Lacy is doing just fine.
Mark Ingram is playing on a team that doesn't care about a running game and he was injured his first year.
Trent Richardson had 1305 yards from scrimage as a rookie , but it's true he has no balance like Lacy.
Guy from Houston is stupid just like many on here.
Check out Barry Sanders and Herschal Walkers number of carries in college.
Lacy is doing just fine.
Mark Ingram is playing on a team that doesn't care about a running game and he was injured his first year.
Trent Richardson had 1305 yards from scrimage as a rookie , but it's true he has no balance like Lacy.
Guy from Houston is stupid just like many on here.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 12:03 pm to AUin02
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They have 2 or 3 prospects onthe line right now
I'd say CyKo and Steen are the only two guys on the line right now with a good chance at being in the NFL for an extended period of time. Arie maybe, but his injury history will scare people.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 12:05 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Not buying the original theory either.
Dominant O-line in college, not so in NFL. Not a knock on the RBs or Saban. Use the eye test.
Ingram and Richardson were awesome in college, but you could see they didn't appear to be completely explosive. Richardson was just blowing people up, but not really outrunning or juking anyone. In the NFL, the holes close up faster, and the defenders can tackle better and close the angles better.
Lacy is just a beast so he'll be fine. But will probably be paired in a thunder and lightning type of backfield eventually. It is the wave of the future to have 2 back rotation.
Yeldon is tough and has some good moves. He'll be valued well.
Drake is the fastest/quickest of all of them, he will make guys miss at the next level. But he has a slimmer build, only 200 lbs, so its hard to say he'll be an every down back.
Dominant O-line in college, not so in NFL. Not a knock on the RBs or Saban. Use the eye test.
Ingram and Richardson were awesome in college, but you could see they didn't appear to be completely explosive. Richardson was just blowing people up, but not really outrunning or juking anyone. In the NFL, the holes close up faster, and the defenders can tackle better and close the angles better.
Lacy is just a beast so he'll be fine. But will probably be paired in a thunder and lightning type of backfield eventually. It is the wave of the future to have 2 back rotation.
Yeldon is tough and has some good moves. He'll be valued well.
Drake is the fastest/quickest of all of them, he will make guys miss at the next level. But he has a slimmer build, only 200 lbs, so its hard to say he'll be an every down back.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 12:06 pm to Bama98
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Guys on Houston radio mentioned Bama RBs and their lack of production in the pros as a result of being run into the ground under Saban. Guy quoted an unnamed scout telling him this. Is this a Saban thing, is it an SEC thing? Do other RBs not practice as hard or take as much punishment at other schools or other conferences?
Since 2007 there have been 12 SEC RB's drafted within the 1st 3 rounds. Those being:
Kenny Irons- Round 2
Felix Jones - Round 1
Darren McFadden - Round 1
Knowshon Moreno - Round 1
Glen Coffee- Round 3
Ben Tate- Round 2
Montario Hardesty-Round 2
Mark Ingram- Round 1
Trent Richardson- Round 1
Steven Ridley- Round 3
Eddie Lacy- Round 2
Cristine Michael- Round 2
Some serious disappointments so far with Ingram, Trent (solid in rookie season),Hardesty at least based on the position they were drafted, Sucks that Irons tore his ACL for the Bengals too..think he could have been special. However, there are some solid backs on the list such as Moreno, McFadden,Tate and Lacy(so far). Interesting to note that McFadden and Moreno, who were 1st Round picks together only have one 1000yd season between the two in their careers and zero Pro Bowls. They could arguably be labled disappontments also
Felix Jones has sort of been forgotten for the Steelers but he had some good years in Dallas. Coffee was just ok when he played aand Ridley has been pretty solid himeslf. Christine Michael gets an incomplete so far.
Not sure this means anything regarding Bama backs but as someone posted before, RB's have the shortest life span of any position in the NFL.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 12:17 pm to MrBiriwa
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Since 2007 there have been 12 SEC RB's drafted within the 1st 3 rounds. Those being:
Kenny Irons- Round 2
Felix Jones - Round 1
Darren McFadden - Round 1
Knowshon Moreno - Round 1
Glen Coffee- Round 3
Ben Tate- Round 2
Montario Hardesty-Round 2
Mark Ingram- Round 1
Trent Richardson- Round 1
Steven Ridley- Round 3
Eddie Lacy- Round 2
Cristine Michael- Round 2
Some serious disappointments so far with Ingram, Trent (solid in rookie season),Hardesty at least based on the position they were drafted, Sucks that Irons tore his ACL for the Bengals too..think he could have been special. However, there are some solid backs on the list such as Moreno, McFadden,Tate and Lacy(so far). Interesting to note that McFadden and Moreno, who were 1st Round picks together only have one 1000yd season between the two in their careers and zero Pro Bowls. They could arguably be labled disappontments also
Felix Jones has sort of been forgotten for the Steelers but he had some good years in Dallas. Coffee was just ok when he played aand Ridley has been pretty solid himeslf. Christine Michael gets an incomplete so far.
Get this sensible shite out of here, this is the Rant.
Posted on 11/13/13 at 12:18 pm to CockRocket
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Trent Richardson and Mark Ingram averaged more carries a game than Lattimore. In fact, Trent Richardson in 2011 averaged more carries a game (21.77) than anybody else and only 2 players since 2007 have averaged more carries a game than him.
Not sure where the stats are coming from but they are incorrect. It looks like maybe you are dividing his carries by total games and not the games he played in before injury.
In 2011, Lattimore averaged 26 touches a game. 2011 stats
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