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re: Bama, OM & LSU among CFP clear cut favorites for 2016
Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:19 pm to lsufball19
Posted on 12/10/15 at 4:19 pm to lsufball19
Engram is not going anywhere. Core was the 4th or 5th option all year. We have Lodge and Jefferson stepping in along with Adaboyjo, String, and Pack
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 5:13 pm to rockytop627
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I don't mean to sound like a homer, but Tennessee is more likely to contend for a playoff spot than Ole Miss is in 2016.
Did Butch resign?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:37 pm to No Colors
ole miss had 10 different players start games on the O-line this year. They will be losing FIVE of said 10.
rebs led the SEC (#3 in the country) in returning starts on O-line going into '15 season with 120. No other SEC team cracked 100. Should return 30 starts in '16.
ole miss will have a DROP OFF on the O-line.
rebs led the SEC (#3 in the country) in returning starts on O-line going into '15 season with 120. No other SEC team cracked 100. Should return 30 starts in '16.
ole miss will have a DROP OFF on the O-line.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:50 pm to 167back
They'll be a drop off because the best offensive lineman in college football is leaving.
However, you're mentioning losing Morris, Bell, and Still among those, three guys that wouldn't start over Patterson, Conyers, and Taylor and/or Sims in 2016. Ole Miss will be fine in the interior.
If Little signs, he instantly starts at LT which will not make the Tunsil loss so glaringly awful.
Losing Cooper at RT will sting, but Sean Rawlings with a year under his belt and a start in the beginning of the year (including Bama) should help.
Bottomline, we started Tunsil, Patterson, Still, Sims, and Cooper to end the year. The guards were freshmen, Conyers is coming back to play center or RT, and Rod Taylor will finally be healthy.
I don't see a massive dropoff by any means.
However, you're mentioning losing Morris, Bell, and Still among those, three guys that wouldn't start over Patterson, Conyers, and Taylor and/or Sims in 2016. Ole Miss will be fine in the interior.
If Little signs, he instantly starts at LT which will not make the Tunsil loss so glaringly awful.
Losing Cooper at RT will sting, but Sean Rawlings with a year under his belt and a start in the beginning of the year (including Bama) should help.
Bottomline, we started Tunsil, Patterson, Still, Sims, and Cooper to end the year. The guards were freshmen, Conyers is coming back to play center or RT, and Rod Taylor will finally be healthy.
I don't see a massive dropoff by any means.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:52 pm to SEC1
One of these is not like the others.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 10:58 pm to cajunbama
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One of these is not like the others
Completely agree....
Ole Miss beat both of these teams.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:04 pm to 167back
Save Fahn Cooper, we will have four of the five oline starters who starter against Alabama and hopefully Greg little. We were average at the oline position and we will be at least average there next year. It's great that tunsil had nearly 40 starts coming into this year but we only got five games from him. The tackle position is most definitely a question mark but we put up good offensive numbers the first seven games with Rawlings and Cooper starting. We will survive. We have question marks at safety and left tackle and that's it. We are doing better than most. Especially with the quarterbacking issues in this division.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:07 pm to VivaZapata27
ole miss loses four of top five tacklers on "D"
Both starting DTs, r nkemdiche and hamilton
Both starting LBs and three of top four. d nkemdiche, cj johnson and russell.
That's four of starting front six.
For all we know f brown might opt out early.
I would think losing four starters on the O-line would be a major concern.
granted rebs have a talented WR corps but, have any shown the ability to be an all american in '16? That's what you're losing. An all american that was the #1 play maker on the "O".
Plus, leading rusher. Though that's not that big a deal at ole miss. Anyone shown ability to replace all those yards in return game though?
Both starting DTs, r nkemdiche and hamilton
Both starting LBs and three of top four. d nkemdiche, cj johnson and russell.
That's four of starting front six.
For all we know f brown might opt out early.
I would think losing four starters on the O-line would be a major concern.
granted rebs have a talented WR corps but, have any shown the ability to be an all american in '16? That's what you're losing. An all american that was the #1 play maker on the "O".
Plus, leading rusher. Though that's not that big a deal at ole miss. Anyone shown ability to replace all those yards in return game though?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:17 pm to 167back
Walton was serviceable but we were bottom four in the league in both kickoff and punt return yardage. We lose a stud left tackle that only played five games. Our BEST linebacker was Gates and we return seven of our top ten on the d line PLUS A THREE YEAR STARTER THAT REDSHIRTED. while we have plenty of experience returning at safety they do have big shoes to fill with Elston and Hilton gone. Everyone loses those kind of players though. Engram COULD go early but won't. Stringfellow COULD but won't. Brown COULD but won't. We graduate a senior class that was ranked 47th when they signed and we will likely lose three underclassmen. No one will return a better QB. In fact it's not even close. We have holes to fill but no more than anyone else. Again, if we lose four or five games it'll be because good teams beat us, not because we have a roster that lacks experience and talent.
Edit. As it regards treadwell, he's an elite player but our offense spreads the ball around. Yes we have guys who have game breaking ability on the perimeter. Stringfellow and Adeboyjo are as good a combo as anyone has.
Edit. As it regards treadwell, he's an elite player but our offense spreads the ball around. Yes we have guys who have game breaking ability on the perimeter. Stringfellow and Adeboyjo are as good a combo as anyone has.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:30 pm to 167back
There seems to be some misinformation. For the record...
Juniors forsure leaving: Treadwell, Tunsil, Nkemdiche
Juniors likely staying: Kelly, Engram, Conner
Starters:
QB - Kelly
RB - Judd/Wilkins
WR1 - Stringfellow
WR2 - Lodge
Slot - Adeboyejo
TE - Engram
OT - Little (assuming he signs)
OG - Patterson
C - Conyers
OG - Sims
OT - Rawlings
DE - Haynes
DT - DJ Jones/Gross
DT - Speaks
DE - Brown
LB - Gates
LB - Caldwell/JUCO 4 star
Husky - Woods
SS - Conner
FS - Hampton
CB - Bridges
CB - Webster
I see 16 out of 22 that started more than one game this year. Returning starters is a bit of an exaggeratory barometer. Plenty of experience in this group.
Of course, probably not as top-end as '15. Still a group that will be underrated, able to be dangerous for any team, and certainly capable to beat LSU tho.
Juniors forsure leaving: Treadwell, Tunsil, Nkemdiche
Juniors likely staying: Kelly, Engram, Conner
Starters:
QB - Kelly
RB - Judd/Wilkins
WR1 - Stringfellow
WR2 - Lodge
Slot - Adeboyejo
TE - Engram
OT - Little (assuming he signs)
OG - Patterson
C - Conyers
OG - Sims
OT - Rawlings
DE - Haynes
DT - DJ Jones/Gross
DT - Speaks
DE - Brown
LB - Gates
LB - Caldwell/JUCO 4 star
Husky - Woods
SS - Conner
FS - Hampton
CB - Bridges
CB - Webster
I see 16 out of 22 that started more than one game this year. Returning starters is a bit of an exaggeratory barometer. Plenty of experience in this group.
Of course, probably not as top-end as '15. Still a group that will be underrated, able to be dangerous for any team, and certainly capable to beat LSU tho.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:36 pm to geauxrebs
Pretty damn solid looking lineup on both sides if you ask me. Plus both starting kickers and punter. need to get Greg little.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:53 pm to VivaZapata27
Bell was the starting RG VS bama so, that's two starters gone. rebs will return four olinemen with starting experience. The most with seven starts under his belt.
Once Tunsil returned were any o-linemen that would have started out injured?
Ole Miss return numbers might not have been off the charts but, Walton led the team in all purpose yards. If someone was better why weren't they seeing the field in return game? Treadwell was #2 and i believe Core was #4 in all purpose yards. That's three of top four gone.
Ten of the rebs top 15 tacklers were either DLinemen or LBs of those 10 six will be plaiyng in last game for rebs in sugar bowl.
Once Tunsil returned were any o-linemen that would have started out injured?
Ole Miss return numbers might not have been off the charts but, Walton led the team in all purpose yards. If someone was better why weren't they seeing the field in return game? Treadwell was #2 and i believe Core was #4 in all purpose yards. That's three of top four gone.
Ten of the rebs top 15 tacklers were either DLinemen or LBs of those 10 six will be plaiyng in last game for rebs in sugar bowl.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:55 pm to TrueReb13
core was fourth or fifth option all year? he was third in receiving yards and #1 in YPC.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:08 am to geauxrebs
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Returning starters is a bit of an exaggeratory barometer. Plenty of experience in this group.
I said the exact same thing about us this year, and all of our projected starters were juniors or seniors. We returned the second most "snaps played" in the SEC and I assumed we wouldn't miss a lot of the starters because of it. It looks good on paper, but you don't lose that many and not miss them. Especially not on the OL.
You have enough select positions returning, specifically in the pass game, to get you to bowl eligibility at least. But don't expect things to just pull together without struggle. A new OL and lack of the go to check down in Treadwell is going to challenge Kelly. IMO him coming back would be risky, but I think he will.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:09 am to SEC1
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:17 am to geauxrebs
On any level of football on offense it comes down to the big uglies. Control the LOS and your "O" will be successful.
Rebs going from 120 career starts returning on Oline to 30 career starts. One of your projected starters isn't even committed to rebs as I type this. Can I put him on the LSU starting "O"? I heard tigers were in the running for signature.
If QB is running for his life it's hard to throw with any amount of consistency.
Rebs going from 120 career starts returning on Oline to 30 career starts. One of your projected starters isn't even committed to rebs as I type this. Can I put him on the LSU starting "O"? I heard tigers were in the running for signature.
If QB is running for his life it's hard to throw with any amount of consistency.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:31 am to 167back
We have tested and proven guys at the skill positions. 4 of top 5 rushers and over 1300 yards. Those guys will do more with more opportunities. Returning four recievers with over 350 yards and string is an elite number one guy. The starting guards by the LSU game were Sims and Patterson, both freshmen. Conyers missed the second half of the season and was arguably our second best lineman behind Tunsil(starts at guard and right tackle. If we sign little, and we should, that will be a better group. On defense, the tackle stats are misleading. Our best second level player and sure fire NFL guy, Conner, missed most of the season. Denzel lead the team in tackles but his replacement, freshman Gates, was statistically dominant in his three starts. Gross, 3 year starter and all sec guy as well as our most disruptive lineman missed the entire season. Hampton and Woods, freshmen, played very well at safety but will have big shoes to fill for Elston and Hilton. They are arguably more talented.
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:35 am to 167back
1/3 of those line starts were Tunsil, who only played five games this year. It was still a relatively inexperienced group that started the season. Yes, left tackle is our biggest question mark by far. We will definitely have to sign and start an elite freshman there. But there is no way that we are worse off on the line as is than we were for the first seven games of the season. It's legitimately my only real concern, other than the schedule.
But really, not counting Chad Kelly look at the other six starting QBs in the west next year. I'd rather have our problems than anyone else's.
But really, not counting Chad Kelly look at the other six starting QBs in the west next year. I'd rather have our problems than anyone else's.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 12:43 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 12:40 am to 167back
Career starts is a bad one to use.
For a guy like Laremy Tunsil, yeah. Sucks.
For a guy like Aaron Morris, addition by subtraction.
Justin Bell hardly played in the Egg Bowl. Sims got most snaps at RG, and had Patterson and Taylor not been dinged up, they would've LG. Losing Cooper sucks.
The way I look at it:
Tunsil - ~30 starts
Morris - ~20 starts
Cooper - 25 starts
Bell - ~ 20 starts
Starting line:
Little - 0 starts, elite talent tho. Didn't bother Tunsil any in '13
Patterson - ~ 6 starts, rotated with starters whole 2015
Conyers - ~20 starts
Taylor - ~10 starts, Sims also started late 2015 and treated like starter most of the year
Rawlings - 7 starts
It's not like we're shuffling three to four starters out there who have never been in that situation outside of garbage games.
Four (Patterson, Conyers, Taylor, Rawlings) all started against Bama. It's not going to be some cliff drop off.
Losing Tunsil and Cooper sucks. Interior will be better though. Young, more talented players.
Patterson and Taylor were both heavily coveted by Bama. Conyers was our starting center until he got hurt. Rawlings started while Tunsil was out and held his own early as a redshirt freshman. Trial by fire.
We're going to be fine at OL next year, assuming Greg Little signs and we don't get a case of the injury bug. Grasping at straws.
For a guy like Laremy Tunsil, yeah. Sucks.
For a guy like Aaron Morris, addition by subtraction.
Justin Bell hardly played in the Egg Bowl. Sims got most snaps at RG, and had Patterson and Taylor not been dinged up, they would've LG. Losing Cooper sucks.
The way I look at it:
Tunsil - ~30 starts
Morris - ~20 starts
Cooper - 25 starts
Bell - ~ 20 starts
Starting line:
Little - 0 starts, elite talent tho. Didn't bother Tunsil any in '13
Patterson - ~ 6 starts, rotated with starters whole 2015
Conyers - ~20 starts
Taylor - ~10 starts, Sims also started late 2015 and treated like starter most of the year
Rawlings - 7 starts
It's not like we're shuffling three to four starters out there who have never been in that situation outside of garbage games.
Four (Patterson, Conyers, Taylor, Rawlings) all started against Bama. It's not going to be some cliff drop off.
Losing Tunsil and Cooper sucks. Interior will be better though. Young, more talented players.
Patterson and Taylor were both heavily coveted by Bama. Conyers was our starting center until he got hurt. Rawlings started while Tunsil was out and held his own early as a redshirt freshman. Trial by fire.
We're going to be fine at OL next year, assuming Greg Little signs and we don't get a case of the injury bug. Grasping at straws.
This post was edited on 12/11/15 at 12:45 am
Posted on 12/11/15 at 2:55 am to rockytop627
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rockytop627
A homer? Naw...you dont sound like a homer...you sound like a pathetic hillbilliy thats disillusioned and will talk shite even though you havent done squat. WHY in hell dont y'all wait til you DO something and then you can talk some. You still have to play UF and Bama dont forget....so you are starting off with 2 Ls right there.
You beat a down & out UGA team that fired their coach, Vandy, UK, USC...come on.....did you want a medal for that?
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