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re: Auburn's Excuse of Being Young Doesn't Add Up
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:20 am to plazadweller
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:20 am to plazadweller
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It's amazing what happens to a football team when the OL/DL improve drastically. I wouldn't even begin to fathom how many times this topic has been raped. Even Antoine is astounded.
Sorry. I honestly haven't seen it. I keep hearing the "Auburn is young" excuse on talk radio in Alabama, so I thought I'd engage here and see what people thought.
Obviously, youth is part of it. Just not the whole issue.
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Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:20 am to AlaTiger
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Do people really think that Auburn's struggles are because they are young?
What does it matter to you what Auburn people believe or not? If it is youth and not talent or development, or vice versa the next 2 years will expose that more then the first 3 have.
If AU fans are wrong you will be able to start more threads to make the claim. So if AU people are not on board with your opinion all the better right? Time will write this story let's see if Chizik can make it a triumphant one, or a tragedy.
This post was edited on 12/13/11 at 10:21 am
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:22 am to Wallacewade04
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It's very possible that you want this to be a serious discussion
Yeah, that is what I wanted, actually. Asking too much, I guess.
I'm just getting tired of the constant LSU-Alabama talk and am looking around at the other teams.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:22 am to AlaTiger
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AlaTiger
Great observations, you are very well informed and make great analogies
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:24 am to AlaTiger
A most riveting, excellent tale, me boyo!
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:25 am to AlaTiger
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Yeah, that is what I wanted, actually. Asking too much, I guess.
Auburn fans on here have had to be on the defensive the last couple days...not unexpected to get these types of responses.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:25 am to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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What does it matter to you what Auburn people believe or not? If it is youth and not talent or development, or vice versa the next 2 years will expose that more then the first 3 have.
So, we should not talk about anything until after the fact? What?
I am expressing an opinion, asking for discussion, and am open to being proven wrong. I was really impressed with Auburn last year, by the way, as a team. They were incredible.
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If AU fans are wrong you will be able to start more threads to make the claim. So if AU people are not on board with your opinion all the better right? Time will write this story let's see if Chizik can make it a triumphant one, or a tragedy.
I'm not trying to win anything on the SEC Rant. My life has more going on than that. I just wanted to discuss a team other than LSU and Alabama for a minute.
By the way, IF there are bigger problems than it being youth, they can be fixed. Look at LSU in 2008 and look at LSU now. Getting rid of Crowton was huge, in my opinion.
Maybe getting rid of Roof will make a huge difference? It doesn't have to be Chizik's fault totally. He could right the ship with hiring the right assistants.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:27 am to AlaTiger
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You say that a lot, BHP.
I'm given a LOT of reason to "say" that.
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I am not trying to flame.
Yet, you've accomplished JUST that.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:27 am to AlaTiger
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AlaTiger
And fwiw, I think some might be getting you confused with AlxTiger, who spends the majority of his time on here douching it up. I know I've gotten the two of you confused in the past.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:28 am to NYCAuburn
The original post acts just like Auburn was only replacing CAM but what was lost after 2010 was much much more than CAM
Nick Fairley
Ryan Pugh
Lee Ziemba
Isom
Mike McNeil
Zach Etheridge
Darvin Adams
Josh Bynes
Craig Stephens
So Auburn was suppose to replace it's 3 best OL, best DL, 2 Best LBs, Best WR, and both Safeties and not miss a beat?
Then this year's best WR missed 3 games and also lost an OLmen
Nick Fairley
Ryan Pugh
Lee Ziemba
Isom
Mike McNeil
Zach Etheridge
Darvin Adams
Josh Bynes
Craig Stephens
So Auburn was suppose to replace it's 3 best OL, best DL, 2 Best LBs, Best WR, and both Safeties and not miss a beat?
Then this year's best WR missed 3 games and also lost an OLmen
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:28 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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Auburn fans on here have had to be on the defensive the last couple days...not unexpected to get these types of responses.
I understand. I'm not offended at all. That is why I'm actuallly trying to answer all the allegations of flaming. I really did want to discuss more than just the surface stuff in regard to Auburn.
I see now that my original post could be taken differently than I intended. If you read it as a flame because of the tone of the board, I get that. But, if I were just flaming I would have let it lie there and do its work.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:28 am to AlaTiger
quote:Of course it isn't the whole issue. AU had a combination of youth, inexperience and lack of experienced talent on the o-line. In addition, AU seriously lacks talent at LB. They also have too much youth and a lack of depth on the interior of the d-line. Furthermore, it was difficult to see much development from any of the young players as the season progressed.
Obviously, youth is part of it. Just not the whole issue.
Youth, and the fact that almost all of our talent is young was a major issue, but there were plenty of other issues. Almost all of which should be correctable with a little time and good coaching.
LB is going to be a weakness as far as depth goes next year, they will be young and may or may not be talented. We should be in good shape at every other position as far as talent goes. It is time for the coaches to prove their worth.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:30 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
Just asking...
Next season how many QB's will Auburn have on scholarship? Im assuming Trotter, Frazier, and Moseley are all on scholarship but aren't y'all getting another one?
Next season how many QB's will Auburn have on scholarship? Im assuming Trotter, Frazier, and Moseley are all on scholarship but aren't y'all getting another one?
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:30 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I am not trying to flame.
Yet, you've accomplished JUST that.
Well, it was unintentional. I think this board needs some counseling. I'll take responsibility for how I said things in the OP and try to be more careful in the future, but I know what I was trying to get at and it wasn't a flame.
That is why I keep trying to clarify.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:30 am to AlaTiger
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AlaTiger
FWIW
Auburn youth=/=LSU youth
LSU has far more elder players and players who have expierence. so your comparison does not work
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:30 am to AlaTiger
It is mind blowing how well your team plays for its youth, it is not usual.
It's something to be proud of, but it's not a standard you should get used to meeting because it's just unreal.
Plus, you didn't have the total exit of leadership that we did after losing 30 at once.
It's something to be proud of, but it's not a standard you should get used to meeting because it's just unreal.
Plus, you didn't have the total exit of leadership that we did after losing 30 at once.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:31 am to Wallacewade04
Always wondered. If its true is it a flame.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:32 am to NorthGwinnettTiger
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And fwiw, I think some might be getting you confused with AlxTiger, who spends the majority of his time on here douching it up. I know I've gotten the two of you confused in the past.
Perhaps. I upset quite a few Bama fans in the week before the BCS selection stating my case as to why they shouldn't get to play in the championship game. In retrospect, I probably took the argument too far and some of them were justified in getting ticked off with me.
I love LSU but I do respect the other teams in this conference, including Auburn and Alabama.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:32 am to mwlewis
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Next season how many QB's will Auburn have on scholarship? Im assuming Trotter, Frazier, and Moseley are all on scholarship but aren't y'all getting another one?
Trotter just graduated, so I would think he may hang it up...not sure though. Next year, my guess is the three QBs you'll have on the sideline is Moseley, Frazier & Zeke Pike...with Pike most likely being red-shirted.
Posted on 12/13/11 at 10:34 am to WDE24
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Of course it isn't the whole issue. AU had a combination of youth, inexperience and lack of experienced talent on the o-line.
Thanks for the response. That was part of LSU's problem in 2008 and 2009 as well. We recruited very poorly on the OLine in 2005 and 2006 and it showed up later.
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Youth, and the fact that almost all of our talent is young was a major issue, but there were plenty of other issues. Almost all of which should be correctable with a little time and good coaching.
I see what you are saying. We had Anthony Johnson, the best DT in the country coming out of high school play for us this year in spot duty. He got better as the season went on, but if he had been starting from the beginning, he would have struggled mightily. He was able to mature slowly. You guys didn't have that chance.
It seemed like one of your biggest weaknesses was the secondary, though. How will they look next year?
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