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re: Auburn's 2010 success makes much more sense now

Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:06 pm to
Posted by thirdlawson
Nashville
Member since Oct 2011
8619 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:06 pm to
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Please expand on this, I'm sure it will be fascinating. TIA


Posted by NeverRains
Texas
Member since Jun 2012
3010 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:21 pm to
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How old are you? You ever heard of Curley Hallman?

You tell me which is worse 16-28 or 33-19 with a SEC championship and a National Championship.



Did you even bother to read my full post? I went on to explain why Gene Chizik had so much success in the first place. Yes, Curley Hallman sucked arse. I am certain that no LSU fan will argue against that.
Posted by 6nmylifetime
668 Neighbor to the Beast
Member since Nov 2012
598 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:38 pm to
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he opens up the rulebook. He finds a loophole then exploits it. Eventually (not long in the SEC) everyone catches on and the shows over.



It's another high school offense, smoke and mirrors reference. It's in regards to the fact that his teams don't line up and execute. They quick snap, line up in crazy formations, HUNH, statue of liberty, reverse, and trick play. He's not about offense block defense, team that executes best wins. He's about trying to catch the other team not looking. As I said it works until you've gone through your bag of tricks. Yeah he's been in the conference three years. Let's look at them. First year Houston Nutt didn't let him call shite. Second year Cam left, Cam right, Cam up the middle. My 9 year old could have called that offense. This year back to the hurry up and quick snap before they see what we're doing. That's not coaching X's and O's that's high school. Gus is a great SunBelt coach at best. I give him 4 years at Auburn.
Posted by boddagetta
Moulton
Member since Mar 2011
9999 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:40 pm to
You just went full gump. Never go full gump.
Posted by gsm1060
Tree stand
Member since Dec 2009
683 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:42 pm to
Get this shite out of here
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 8:43 pm
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:43 pm to
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My problem with Gus offensively is that instead of opening up a playbook he opens up the rulebook. He finds a loophole then exploits it.


Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:45 pm to
Not even worth the effort.
Posted by 6nmylifetime
668 Neighbor to the Beast
Member since Nov 2012
598 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:45 pm to
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Please explain. This should be good. (And before you answer, know that AU and Bama are within a few plays in terms of average per game.)



And a lifetime apart in terms of quality of program, talent on the sidelines and talent on the field. That AU bubble will burst by UT , UGA at the latest and will be in shambles by the Iron Bowl. BAMA has as many plays because they control the tempo of the game with first downs, AU has that many plays because they sprint to the line of scrimmage to try and catch the D not looking. You can rationalize it all you want but I prefer to have the team that can line up, push you around, run over you and dominate you physically and athletically. Not have to rely on tricking you.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:46 pm to
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6nmylifetime


Dude, AU leads the SEC in rushing, and most of those yards have come right at the heart of the defense with the offensive line knocking them back. You really do not know what you're talking about. Misdirection plays are not "trick plays". They have been a staple of college football for decades.
Posted by AUsteriskPride
Albuquerque, NM
Member since Feb 2011
18385 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:47 pm to
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That AU bubble will burst by UT




ETA: It's funny you think running what is essentially a 2-minute drill after a positive play isn't "real" football and is somehow unfair.
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 8:52 pm
Posted by gsm1060
Tree stand
Member since Dec 2009
683 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:50 pm to
So Auburn is 5th in the nation in rushing on trickery and misdirection?
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
52881 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:52 pm to
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6nmylifetime


Posted by GenesChin
The Promise Land
Member since Feb 2012
37706 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:52 pm to
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He's not about offense block defense


Have you watched a single Auburn game this year? Our OLine demolishes people on 9/10 plays. 9/10 plays are either read option offtackle or between the tackles. Standard power "offense block defense" football dumbfrick. Our offensive plays may be outside buck sweeps that make the highlight films but they are made possible by smashmouth up the gut runs

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team that executes best wins.


If you can't defend the HUNH, you aren't executing your defense. Not sure what the frick this statement means

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He's about trying to catch the other team not looking


This is part of the HUNH (the other part is getting opponent tired so they can't execute). It seems to be effective by people in both the NFL and NCAA.

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As I said it works until you've gone through your bag of tricks.


Considering he has won everywhere he has gone and as HC at both ASU and AU, seems like he has a pretty fricking big bag of tricks

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Second year Cam left, Cam right, Cam up the middle. My 9 year old could have called that offense


You are forgetting our RB who lead nation in YPC and freshman RB who went for 1000yd+ and broke freshman record at AU.

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That's not coaching X's and O's that's high school.


If it works why does it matter if it is "high school"

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Gus is a great SunBelt coach at best.


7-1 seems pretty good for a sunbelt coach. Especially since Arkansas hired a Saban like football coach and is a dumpster fire

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I give him 4 years at Auburn.


BAN BET ACCEPTED
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 8:55 pm
Posted by Hater Bait
Tuscaloosa & Gulf Shores
Member since Nov 2012
2871 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 8:58 pm to
As an outsider, I do believe Gus was the brains of 2010
Auburn. I think his success now is based on his skill
and a staff that is improving their team week to week.
Gene kinda had a good recruiting staff, but as coaches were
weak.
Posted by Hater Bait
Tuscaloosa & Gulf Shores
Member since Nov 2012
2871 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 9:21 pm to
I don't know about that. Auburn didn't win an SEC game
last year. Now they're #2 in the west. ranked #11. That's not smoke and mirrors. He may not be there in 4 years, but
I don't believe it'll be because he's fired.
Posted by TheSandman
Notasulga
Member since Nov 2010
19411 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 9:53 pm to
Oooh I wanna take this one.
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They quick snap

Which over half of CFB is doing nowadays. It's the direction the game is moving in, thanks in large part to Arthur Gustav Malzahn III
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line up in crazy formations

Going to assume you're going at the Wing-T here, which is nothing more than a more "traditional" version of the "crazy" Single Wing... Which has been around since the 40s.
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HUNH

You already said that
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statue of liberty, reverse, and trick play.

LINK
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He's not about offense block defense, team that executes best wins.

How about talking to Texas A&M about that.
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He's about trying to catch the other team not looking. As I said it works until you've gone through your bag of tricks.
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Second year Cam left, Cam right, Cam up the middle.

This is a zone-read, play action offense that relies on a downhill running game. But you'll remember the inverted veer soon enough.
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That's not coaching X's and O's that's high school.

7-1
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I give him 4 years at Auburn.

Before he runs Saban out of the state?
Posted by OSqueal
Where ever the beer is
Member since Jan 2011
5390 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 10:08 pm to
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7-1 seems pretty good for a sunbelt coach. Especially since Arkansas hired a Saban like football coach and is a dumpster fire


Why do you people keep spewing this stuff. Gus and Bielema walked into two completely different situations, but one does have a better resume as a head coach then the other. I'm game for giving someone time.
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 10:21 pm to
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I'm game for giving someone time.


And you should be. We all love our teams. But don't act like its a foregone conclusion that BB wins at Arky. The SEC West is brutal and if he doesn't start recruiting better, he will be toast. This isn't the Big 10.
Posted by Rabern57
Alabama
Member since Jan 2010
13363 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 10:24 pm to
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Why do you people keep spewing this stuff. Gus and Bielema walked into two completely different situations, but one does have a better resume as a head coach then the other.

Because all we heard from Arkansas fans from the day BB and Gus were hired was that Arkansas was going to be better than Auburn and have a better season. The talent levels were still the same when they were claiming all this. BB took over at Wisconsin from BA who was already winning and successfully running the system he used so he didn't have to build them up.

Good coaches make it known by the changes you see in the teams when they take over and to this point Arkansas looks like they did under JLS. Meanwhile Auburn is a lot better all the way around. Arkansas State is garbage and Wisconsin is just as good as they have been since BA was coaching.
This post was edited on 10/27/13 at 10:33 pm
Posted by Smoke7024
Member since Jun 2010
22669 posts
Posted on 10/27/13 at 10:28 pm to
Step away from the computer, Harvey. You've lost it.
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