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re: Auburn & Bama Fans: Question regarding the return of UAB football
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:30 pm to Spread
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:30 pm to Spread
Back to the UAB problem.
Get out your checkbook AU fans and UAB supporters.
Get out your checkbook AU fans and UAB supporters.
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UAB programs return, Watts says university not to give extra money to athletics
Facilities will be built and the university will not be giving any extra money to the athletics department. He said it is up to donations to make it happen. LINK
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Watts speaks of new UAB facility, no specifics on where funding will come from
UAB is bringing football back, but where will the Blazers play?
The possibility of a new facility was a big topic of discussion at Monday’s news conference.
“Our intention is to do as our peers do and that is to privately fund our athletics facilities,” said Mark Ingram.
But where is that private money coming from?
“Cause we’re going to have to go out and raise the money for the facilities he described and we’re confident we can do that too.”
The question now is if the City of Birmingham is bringing any money to the table?
Birmingham City Council member Sheila Tyson was at Monday’s announcement.
“Dr. Watts actually made a statement that we are going to be looking to the city to build a stadium for UAB,” said Tyson.
At Tuesday’s City council meeting, Tyson asked the mayor directly if he or the city had committed any money to a new football facility, and he said no. In fact, he said just about the same thing to us Monday night right after the announcement.
Right now it really does sound like Watts is saying one thing, and Mayor Bell is saying another.
Watts said during Monday’s press conference that $17 million was pledged to keep the football program, but he also said new facilities would also have to come from donor money as well. One donor told WIAT on Tuesday that he’s already donated millions to the program, and he is prepared to raise more money should it be needed. LINK
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:32 pm to jatebe
UAB football gone.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 12:46 pm to jatebe
Need mo money.
Need mo money
Woohoo, over $3million deficit each year for the school, but it will foster goodwill.
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The NCAA informed the program that the Blazers will be eligible for a bowl and will to return to Conference-USA competition for the 2017 season. According to al.com, the outcry over the school's decision to terminate football led to some $17 million in private donations, though the school is seeking $13 million more to cover the cost of reviving the program. LINK
Need mo money
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But a second report released last month from College Sports Solutions, commissioned by UAB, came to the conclusion that reinstating the three programs and continuing on without them were both "viable options." The report said the school would operate on an annual $3.165 million deficit if it brought back the programs,
Woohoo, over $3million deficit each year for the school, but it will foster goodwill.
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but noted that a return would "foster much goodwill and stimulate a substantial amount of spiritual and financial support from alumni, donors, ticket holders, friends, students, faculty and the community" in addition to "positive national attention to the University."
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Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:04 pm to jatebe
I am not against UAB having an FCS football program, but there is simply no way to justify an FBS program.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:36 pm to jatebe
Something I have failed to understand is that the UA BOT has been accused of squashing the UAB football stadium from the get-go....Folks "claim" UAB had the money raised to pay for the stadium but blammed the BOT for kicking it to the curb in the early stages.
Where the hell is all that $$ UAB had raised to fund their own new stadium? What happend to all those millions?
Where the hell is all that $$ UAB had raised to fund their own new stadium? What happend to all those millions?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:39 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:where is this money now?
Bama prevented uab from succeeding. Bama prevented to on campus Stadium for which uab had secured funding without uats help. Would not even vote on it. Prevented jimbos hiring.
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Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:51 pm to RT1941
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Where the hell is all that $$ UAB had raised to fund their own new stadium? What happend to all those millions?
Ummm. The money was a stadium to be built. The Bama BOT would not even hear the plan. It was laughable.
You know this too. You want to explain why the UAT BOT refused to even listen to the proposal?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:54 pm to RT1941
[quote]UAB booster Jimmy Filler, who played a key role in getting purchase commitments for all 27 luxury suites in the proposed stadium, said he does not believe the board of trustees is committed to a successful UAB football program, calling Tuesday a "sad day for UAB and the city of Birmingham."
He said he believes the board's decision is intended to be the "final nail" for the idea of a new stadium.
Filler said he spoke with former UAB athletics director Gene Bartow, who played a critical role bringing football to UAB, about the board's actions on Tuesday morning.
"He told me to never give up," Filler said. "But he did remind me that I owe him two steak dinners that I bet we would have a new stadium. I'm also sorry that the father of UAB athletics will not see his last dream come true."
Dr. Luc Frenette, a longtime UAB booster who was one of the 27 individuals or corporations that made the five-year, $100,000 commitment for a suite, said it will be difficult for the football program to reach its potential without building a stadium to use in place of Legion Field.
"It's the chicken and the egg," Frenette said. "How do we know how good we can be if you don't build the stadium? We had the money. The system is supposed to help UAB, not put us down, and they don't help us."[/quote]
He said he believes the board's decision is intended to be the "final nail" for the idea of a new stadium.
Filler said he spoke with former UAB athletics director Gene Bartow, who played a critical role bringing football to UAB, about the board's actions on Tuesday morning.
"He told me to never give up," Filler said. "But he did remind me that I owe him two steak dinners that I bet we would have a new stadium. I'm also sorry that the father of UAB athletics will not see his last dream come true."
Dr. Luc Frenette, a longtime UAB booster who was one of the 27 individuals or corporations that made the five-year, $100,000 commitment for a suite, said it will be difficult for the football program to reach its potential without building a stadium to use in place of Legion Field.
"It's the chicken and the egg," Frenette said. "How do we know how good we can be if you don't build the stadium? We had the money. The system is supposed to help UAB, not put us down, and they don't help us."[/quote]
Posted on 7/29/15 at 1:56 pm to RT1941
If Birmingham had a better stadium, it would not only help the Blazers, but they could also get a better bowl game and even host 1st weekend of the year OOC games like Atlanta and Dallas.
The damn city should step up and get behind a stadium that is viable for big games instead of conniving to pull down confederate statues in Linn Park.
The damn city should step up and get behind a stadium that is viable for big games instead of conniving to pull down confederate statues in Linn Park.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:06 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Do Alabama fans sit around complaining about the wasted money on the Troy, South Alabama, Alabama A&M, Alabama State, Jacksonville State football programs and athletic programs? Is this like a thing you guys do?
...Or do you just complain about it when it comes to UAB? Been hearing complaints about UAB's athletic subsidy for over 10 years, but I've never heard a peep about these other schools who are in the same or worse situations.
Troy and South Alabama have huge subsidies just like UAB and do it all just to play in a worse conference.
Athletic program subsidies:
South Alabama (FBS - Sunbelt) - 77.44%
Alabama A&M (FCS - SWAC) - 76.74%
Alabama State (FCS - SWAC) - 76.40%
Troy (FBS - Sunbelt) - 72.42%
Jacksonville State (FCS - OVC) - 65.83%
UAB (FBS - CUSA) - 64.49%
Alabama (FBS - SEC) - 3.91%
Auburn (FBS - sEC) - 3.86%
And there would be zero reason for UAB to ever go FCS.
1.) You lose your conference affiliation and don't have good options for basketball other than the MVC. MVC travel costs are an extra 1-2 million higher than CUSA on their own. This would completely negate any reason to lower/drop football and move to the FCS.
2. FCS programs spend a ton of money for virtually nothing. Playing in a conference like CUSA/AAC/MWC/etc has much more publicity and gain than playing FCS. If you think no one cares about the non power FBS conferences, well trust me, absolutely no one cares about FCS football or lower. There's a reason they make zero TV money.
...Or do you just complain about it when it comes to UAB? Been hearing complaints about UAB's athletic subsidy for over 10 years, but I've never heard a peep about these other schools who are in the same or worse situations.
Troy and South Alabama have huge subsidies just like UAB and do it all just to play in a worse conference.
Athletic program subsidies:
South Alabama (FBS - Sunbelt) - 77.44%
Alabama A&M (FCS - SWAC) - 76.74%
Alabama State (FCS - SWAC) - 76.40%
Troy (FBS - Sunbelt) - 72.42%
Jacksonville State (FCS - OVC) - 65.83%
UAB (FBS - CUSA) - 64.49%
Alabama (FBS - SEC) - 3.91%
Auburn (FBS - sEC) - 3.86%
And there would be zero reason for UAB to ever go FCS.
1.) You lose your conference affiliation and don't have good options for basketball other than the MVC. MVC travel costs are an extra 1-2 million higher than CUSA on their own. This would completely negate any reason to lower/drop football and move to the FCS.
2. FCS programs spend a ton of money for virtually nothing. Playing in a conference like CUSA/AAC/MWC/etc has much more publicity and gain than playing FCS. If you think no one cares about the non power FBS conferences, well trust me, absolutely no one cares about FCS football or lower. There's a reason they make zero TV money.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:06 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Everything was on track, made sense and was ready to go:
The money was there!
It was expected to be PROFITABLE IMMEDIATELY!!! WOO!!!
Year one "conservative" estimate: Revenues $5.78M - expenses $875k - debt service $3.6M = $1.3M in additional revenue IN YEAR ONE! All systems go, this is a no-brainer and will save UAT money in subsidies, making UAB football 100% independent very quickly! Do it! Do it! Do it!
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UAT BOT in private discussions before presentations to be made...
Bryant Junior, "Holy shite. They are going to be a solid and successful program if we let this happen. After all the work I have done for a decade to prevent it, it's gonna happen anyway. Well, frick that. How about we do not even hear the proposal. If we hear it, it is obviously a no-brainer and good for all. frick that noise. frick UAB. I hate those bastards. I am Paul Jr. I run shite. Done. Meeting is over."
UAB fricked.
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The presentation was met with enthusiasm at the time from then-Athletic Committee chairman John McMahon. McMahon said during the meeting that the board was "looking forward to you coming back in November or as early as you can to get this project on the road." He added after the meeting he felt it would "get done and get done quickly."
The money was there!
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Another sign of community support centered on the 27 suites expected to be available to corporations or individuals. The on-campus stadium feasibility study estimates that 80 percent of the suites would be sold by the first year. A source close to the proposal said that university officials already have five-year commitments for all 27 suites.
The price of the suites is $30,000 for a one-year commitment, $25,000 per year for a three-year commitment and $20,000 per year for a five-year commitment. In addition, each suite will accommodate 20 season tickets at a cost of $150 each.
The USGA passed a resolution 22-0 that the student body supports the new stadium.
It was expected to be PROFITABLE IMMEDIATELY!!! WOO!!!
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The feasibility report also details the proposed financial plan. It includes an operating revenue projection ranging from $5,782,723 the first year to $6,875,635 in the 10th year. Operating expense projections range from $835,000 the first year to $1,089,486 the 10th year. All projections are based on a six-game home schedule for the Blazers.
Operating revenues include ticket admissions, advertising and sponsorship, concessions, pouring rights, merchandise, catering and parking. It also includes a $500,000 naming rights fee per year but suggested that amount is "conservative" and added that "based on the size and reputation of UAB as well as its location" the estimate could increase "substantially."
Year one "conservative" estimate: Revenues $5.78M - expenses $875k - debt service $3.6M = $1.3M in additional revenue IN YEAR ONE! All systems go, this is a no-brainer and will save UAT money in subsidies, making UAB football 100% independent very quickly! Do it! Do it! Do it!
Pause....
UAT BOT in private discussions before presentations to be made...
Bryant Junior, "Holy shite. They are going to be a solid and successful program if we let this happen. After all the work I have done for a decade to prevent it, it's gonna happen anyway. Well, frick that. How about we do not even hear the proposal. If we hear it, it is obviously a no-brainer and good for all. frick that noise. frick UAB. I hate those bastards. I am Paul Jr. I run shite. Done. Meeting is over."
UAB fricked.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:15 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
quote:If "the money was there" as you've stated, then where the hell is the money now? The folks at UAB make it sound like they are looking to the city of B'ham to fund/build the stadium. The Mayor of B'ham won't give an interview to the media to answer questions about what the city will do for UAB in the future.
Tiger n Miami AU83
If the money was once there to fund the stadium on their own without any help from the UA System, then why the hell does UAB currently find itself pleading for donations of $17 million from private donations just to help fund the program? And that doesn't include another $13 million they still need to make facility improvements.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:21 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
You left out the part where President Carol Garrison then resigns 8 months later and President Watts is put in after.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:24 pm to dcbl
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If Birmingham had a better stadium, it would not only help the Blazers, but they could also get a better bowl game and even host 1st weekend of the year OOC games like Atlanta and Dallas.
You're honestly putting Birmingham in the same category as Atlanta and Dallas for places people want to go and watch a game?
I'm from there and it's not on the same level. They MIGHT could get a better bowl game. But it will never be a opening-weekend type place.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:27 pm to dswear
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Do Alabama fans sit around complaining about the wasted money on the Troy, South Alabama, Alabama A&M, Alabama State, Jacksonville State football programs and athletic programs? Is this like a thing you guys do?
All those other schools aren't part of the same system as UA. When UAB is losing money or running a deficit guess who is paying that? The UA system. Which is less money going to the main campus.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:30 pm to GIbson05
One would think the UA system would be actively trying to fix UAB football so it could lower it's subsidy. Crazy thought!? An athletic program in the South will never lower it's subsidy percentage without football...just a fact. UAB football was one of the least drains on the UAB subsidy. It was a 9 million dollar operation with a 2 million deficit in it's absolute worst years ever. Considering UAB's athletic subsidy is 64%. UAB football's was 22-30% at worst ever. That makes financial sense right? Cut one of your lower subsidized sports that people actually care about. Yes, cut a staple of an athletic program that makes you lose conference affiliation and hurts all other sports in recruiting and support! This is a great way to help an athletic subsidy! You guys have to get real. UAB men's basketball would've really made the bank for the rest of the sports while sitting in the Atlantic Sun conference.
* No facilities ever approved for UAB football by board of trustees in what, 20 years? UAB has had a softball stadium, a baseball stadium, a basketball arena, and soon to have a soccer stadium built. But you can't even address a football stadium in Alabama??? Are you serious?
* Threat of shutdown by board of trustees in early 2000s right after some success on the field
* Neil Callaway hired and approved over Pat Sullivan or Jimbo Fisher by the board of trustees in 2006
* Stadium proposal not even looked at by the board in 2011
* Donated football turf allegedly rejected by board of trustee member. LINK
* Football program given death penalty after having best season in a decade, approved by the board of trustees in 2015. One of the best years UAB has ever had for producing NFL talent.
I'm seeing a trend here.
* No facilities ever approved for UAB football by board of trustees in what, 20 years? UAB has had a softball stadium, a baseball stadium, a basketball arena, and soon to have a soccer stadium built. But you can't even address a football stadium in Alabama??? Are you serious?
* Threat of shutdown by board of trustees in early 2000s right after some success on the field
* Neil Callaway hired and approved over Pat Sullivan or Jimbo Fisher by the board of trustees in 2006
* Stadium proposal not even looked at by the board in 2011
* Donated football turf allegedly rejected by board of trustee member. LINK
* Football program given death penalty after having best season in a decade, approved by the board of trustees in 2015. One of the best years UAB has ever had for producing NFL talent.
I'm seeing a trend here.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:36 pm to dswear
UAT BOT is pitiful.
I wonder if UAB could sue them in federal court for a breach of fiduciary responsibilities.
I wonder if UAB could sue them in federal court for a breach of fiduciary responsibilities.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:41 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Yeah UA is gonna sue UA. Who do you think will win?
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:45 pm to crimsonsaint
I'm still waiting to hear people complaining about the millions of dollars (allegedly around 10 million) they spent shutting down UAB football, only to revive it 6 months later.
Where's the outrage guys?
10 million dollars would've kept UAB football afloat for 3 years at a minimum...and whoa, they wouldn't be have given themselves a death penalty and scattered all their players and coaches to the wind.
Where's the outrage guys?
10 million dollars would've kept UAB football afloat for 3 years at a minimum...and whoa, they wouldn't be have given themselves a death penalty and scattered all their players and coaches to the wind.
Posted on 7/29/15 at 2:45 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
It's hilarious how much Auburn fans pretend they care about UAB just because it's something to root for against UA.
This post was edited on 7/29/15 at 2:47 pm
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