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Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:20 am to GatorsGators
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Ohio State has better basketball history
Not much to speak of recently either. Been over 50 years since their last title as well. But overall, yeah they have enjoyed a little bit more success.
Top 10 is a little high. Duke, NC, CUSE, UK, UF, MSU, Villanova, UCONN, Michigan, Louisville, Indiana. Those are all higher in order than State. I'm sure there's more. Top 15 for sure but no way top 10.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:21 am to Gcockboi
quote:That's not true. The state has produced more than one Top 100 player (ESPN) once since 2012. Ohio has produced 3+ every year. The 2017 and 2018 classes do look good, but the state or Arkansas isn't a great recruiting base.
The state of Arkansas produces elite talent every year
quote:Ohio State has also won a natty and has made more Final Fours, Elite Eights, and Sweet Sixteens than Arkansas
I'm preety sure they won a natty in the 90s and have a shite ton of final 4's and a nice arena
They also have fan support and a nice arena
But why am I arguing with you?
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:23 am to GatorsGators
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They also have fan support and a nice arena
But why am I arguing with you?
Who doesn't? If you're winning then you are set up with what you want. That is no different in Arkansas as in State.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:30 am to DAbully
quote:Final Fours in 2007 and 2012. They've been a consistent program under Matta prior to the past two years.
Not much to speak of recently either.
quote:You could make a case for OSU as a better job than Nova, MSU, Michigan, and UF
Duke, NC, CUSE, UK, UF, MSU, Villanova, UCONN, Michigan, Louisville, Indiana
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:31 am to DAbully
quote:Well, yeah
Who doesn't? If you're winning then you are set up with what you want. That is no different in Arkansas as in State
But that was part of his argument as to why Arkansas was a better job than OSU
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:37 am to GatorsGators
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You could make a case for OSU as a better job than Nova, MSU, Michigan, and UF
You absolutely cannot make the case against Michigan State. UF is a back to back title winner with an impressive resume. Villanova is a strict ball school that is red hot right now. Basically in getting at all these schools are worth coaching for. Including Arkansas. They have all showed that they will pay any amount for wins and all have diehard fan bases. It would be personal preference to where a coach would go between a majority of them. But blue bloods like Kentucky, Duke, UNC, and Hoosiers obviously take priority. tOSU is 2nd tier to those.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:40 am to GatorsGators
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But that was part of his argument as to why Arkansas was a better job than OSU
tOSU would be more appealing IMHO. But the gap between them and Arkansas isn't like the gap between Duke and tOSU.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:44 am to GatorsGators
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The state has produced more than one Top 100 player (ESPN) once since 2012.
Bobby Portis
Archie Goodwin
Malik Monk
KeVaughn Allen
This is why we don't use ESPN for recruiting spin kids.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 1:52 am
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:50 am to DAbully
Almost all of MSU's success has been Izzo, and their history is still about equal to OSU. Plus Ohio is better for recruiting purposes and OSU has less competition in their state.
OSU is probably a better job than UF. UF will be a premiere job if White proves that the program is more than Donovan, though.
Nova is hot, but OSU's history matches up well with Nova's, and OSU is in a more stable conference and has way more $$$.
I'd agree that it's UK, UCLA, KU, Indiana, Duke, and UNC in the "blue blood" tier and then schools like Louisville, Arizona, Syracuse, UConn, Michigan, Florida, Villanova, Texas, MSU, Georgetown, and Notre Dame (I'm sure there are a few others I'm forgetting) in that second tier that I'd argue that Arkansas doesn't quite make right now.
OSU is probably a better job than UF. UF will be a premiere job if White proves that the program is more than Donovan, though.
Nova is hot, but OSU's history matches up well with Nova's, and OSU is in a more stable conference and has way more $$$.
I'd agree that it's UK, UCLA, KU, Indiana, Duke, and UNC in the "blue blood" tier and then schools like Louisville, Arizona, Syracuse, UConn, Michigan, Florida, Villanova, Texas, MSU, Georgetown, and Notre Dame (I'm sure there are a few others I'm forgetting) in that second tier that I'd argue that Arkansas doesn't quite make right now.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 1:57 am
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:54 am to UltimateHog
quote:All of those players were from different classes. That was the point. Arkansas doesn't have a ton of depth. Not sure what your knock on ESPN is since all of the players you listed were 5 stars.
Bobby Portis
Archie Goodwin
Malik Monk
This is why we don't use ESPN for recruiting spin kids
The amount of good players that Arkansas produces isn't comparable to Ohio.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 1:58 am to GatorsGators
You missed the point, it's about quality in small states not quantity.
How many first round picks in the last 4 years has Ohio produced? Top 20 picks? Top 10 picks?
If you are consistently getting high pick NBA talent on a regular basis, it's not hard to build a good team. You don't need 7 players in one class in basketball, the average class size is 3-4.
Arkansas as a state, especially these last few years and the next few years (which is what really matters) is one of the best small state recruiting grounds.
How many first round picks in the last 4 years has Ohio produced? Top 20 picks? Top 10 picks?
If you are consistently getting high pick NBA talent on a regular basis, it's not hard to build a good team. You don't need 7 players in one class in basketball, the average class size is 3-4.
Arkansas as a state, especially these last few years and the next few years (which is what really matters) is one of the best small state recruiting grounds.
This post was edited on 1/11/17 at 2:00 am
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:01 am to GatorsGators
If this conversation were had in 2001 then it would be a different story. At that point Arkansas beat out a good bit of those 2nd tiers including Villanova and Florida. But it's not and they are sliding further on down that list as the years go by.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 2:17 am to UltimateHog
quote:Uh... No
You missed the point, it's about quality in small states not quantity
You can't build a program on one player a year. And you're not going to have a 100% land rate of the players in your base.
You're better off in a state that produces a lot of very good talent than in a state that produces one great talent
Ohio is a way better recruiting base than Arkansas, and you're absolutely fooling yourself if you try to convince yourself otherwise
Posted on 1/11/17 at 6:31 am to GatorsGators
Yep
Posted on 1/11/17 at 6:38 am to GatorsGators
I actually agree here. Arkansas basketball is easier to recruit than Arkansas football, butnit still isn't as good as Ohio. We don't really have the issues they have where Louisville and UK can easily poach whomever they want (well, UK can now...but business decisions aside...), but there is definitely more good talent there.
We need to do a better job of getting into Memphis, but AAU there is just as dirty as it gets and I think a lot of not completely broken coaches stay out of there for the most part. Little Rock produces solid talent but if the academics in the town ever get better it will turn into a legit hotbed. Right now a LOT of the best athletes are busy trying to spell "cat" and making "business connections".
If we ever become legitimately good again, we will be able to better recruit KC (closer than Memphis) plus St Louis and Dallas (not much further than Memphis). A big damned IF though, I think I preferred our teams that beat top 25 teams at home while losing to mid 100s on the road than what we have now.
We need to do a better job of getting into Memphis, but AAU there is just as dirty as it gets and I think a lot of not completely broken coaches stay out of there for the most part. Little Rock produces solid talent but if the academics in the town ever get better it will turn into a legit hotbed. Right now a LOT of the best athletes are busy trying to spell "cat" and making "business connections".
If we ever become legitimately good again, we will be able to better recruit KC (closer than Memphis) plus St Louis and Dallas (not much further than Memphis). A big damned IF though, I think I preferred our teams that beat top 25 teams at home while losing to mid 100s on the road than what we have now.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 6:57 am to Gcockboi
Phil Jackson. It's a 90% done deal.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 7:08 am to dbeck
There are a lot of coaches I'd be happy with. Hope is a powerful thing and with Anderson it's reached the point where there is nothing to look forward to with the program. It's his sixth year we've had one tourney appearance and can't rebound or play decent basketball.
We got whipped at home by Miss St who are the second youngest team in the country. Out rebounded us 41 - 27.
Anderson is a decent coach but he's complacent. No fire on the sideline.
Roll the dice and hire someone young. Maybe they suck but maybe they will be really good and we have the talent coming in the next few years to give them a chance. At least it would be worth watching.
We got whipped at home by Miss St who are the second youngest team in the country. Out rebounded us 41 - 27.
Anderson is a decent coach but he's complacent. No fire on the sideline.
Roll the dice and hire someone young. Maybe they suck but maybe they will be really good and we have the talent coming in the next few years to give them a chance. At least it would be worth watching.
Posted on 1/11/17 at 8:51 am to TejasPete
Keep Scotty Thurman on staff and hire Gregg Marshall would be a good dream. Jeff long would probably hire the Purdue coach
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