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re: Arkansas' or Arkansas's.....which one is grammatically correct?
Posted on 5/24/13 at 1:26 pm to hebronhog42
Posted on 5/24/13 at 1:26 pm to hebronhog42
If I remember correctly, the indian tribe was first met by Europeans of French decent, and the name was bastardized into French.
Which doesn't make a whole ton of sense, because the first name for the Kansas river was Rivier de Cansez which then turned into the Kanza River (again, after an Indian tribe).
So who fricking knows.
French linguistics from a man with a misspelled message board name. You're welcome.
Which doesn't make a whole ton of sense, because the first name for the Kansas river was Rivier de Cansez which then turned into the Kanza River (again, after an Indian tribe).
So who fricking knows.
French linguistics from a man with a misspelled message board name. You're welcome.
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 5/24/13 at 1:32 pm to Mizzeaux
The French are the reason for the silent 's' at the end of Arkansas. And as we all know, you don't pronounce the final consonant in French. The pronunciation has always been Arkansaw.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 1:33 pm to mizzoukills
If it's a plural then the ' comes at the end. Example:
Here is a link to the Aggies' board. Aggies'
This shows the board is possessed by the plural group.
For a name that ends in S, you still have to add another 's at the end.
Travis's, Texas's, Arkansas's
Here is a link to the Aggies' board. Aggies'
This shows the board is possessed by the plural group.
For a name that ends in S, you still have to add another 's at the end.
Travis's, Texas's, Arkansas's
Posted on 5/24/13 at 1:36 pm to mizzoukills
The debate was never about the pronunciation.
The debate was how to spell it.
Kind of like Illinoy.
The debate was how to spell it.
Kind of like Illinoy.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:01 pm to theGarnetWay
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I grew up learning that it was S' not s's but last I heard both were technically grammatically correct.
not for a three syllable word
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:04 pm to mizzoukills
You still use 's even if you pronounce the "s" at the end of the word. If we're talking about a dog that Les Miles owns.....
"Les Miles's dog" is correct.
If you're talking about the dog that belongs to the entire family....
"The Miles' dog" is correct.
Both Miles's and Miles' are pronounced the exact same way
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:05 pm to Tds & Beer
Why don't they just change the name of the state? Jesus, it's always something with them...
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:07 pm to mizzoukills
Can we change it to something cool?
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:35 pm to DaleDenton
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Same here, it was taught all the way through comp in college as s', but apparently s's is also grammatically correct and is being taught today.
This is because of ignorance and laziness in our society. Instead of continuing to teach what is correct, they amend what is correct to fit in with common usage.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:38 pm to mizzoukills
Arkansas.....name of Indian tribe that pronounced it's own name as Arkansaw. If you're too dumb to realize that, please do the world a favor and drink some raid. The spelling and pronunciation come directly from the tribe. As for the 's/s' question. They actually are both grammatically correct. Oxford school in England dictates that either are useful. I'd say they know their English.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:39 pm to Hogwall Jackson
Hogwall Jackson
Sure! Go crazy! How about Hoglandia?
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Can we change the state name to something cool?
Sure! Go crazy! How about Hoglandia?
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:40 pm to hebronhog42
hebronhog42
I feel like I just read an echo...did you post this twice?
Who does that?
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Arkansas.....name of Indian tribe that pronounced it's own name as Arkansaw. If you're too dumb to realize that, please do the world a favor and drink some raid.
I feel like I just read an echo...did you post this twice?
Who does that?
This post was edited on 5/24/13 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 5/24/13 at 2:41 pm to DaleDenton
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three days' journey = journey of three days
If the name of a band was "Three days' Journey" Would the possessive form be "Three days' Journey's"?
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:47 pm to mizzoukills
Does it really matter? I like turtles...
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:57 pm to mizzoukills
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However, the pronunciation is incorrect. Originally, the word Arkansas was pronounced Ar-KAN-sas. In 1881, the Arkansas General Assembly began to recognize the alternate pronunciation, Ark-an-saw, even though the pronunciation was not proper.
You're right about the meeting of the General Assembly to codify pronunciation and spelling of "Arkansas".
You are wrong that the pronunciation is not proper.
The pronunciation comes from the French spelling of the word the Arkansas Indians used to describe themselves. They called the land 'Arkansas'. Obviously they did not use the ISO basic Latin alphabet as we do or the French did. Therefore, the French used their alphabet to create a spelling for 'Arkansas'. In French, the final 'S' is silent, much the same as another French named state 'Illinois'.
Therefore, the General Assembly decided to codify the correct spelling and pronunciation of the name Arkansas as created by the French from Native origin.
Here's the link to the legislation:
LINK
Here is the wording of the legislation:
1-4-105. Pronunciation of state name.
Whereas, confusion of practice has arisen in the pronunciation of the name of our state and it is deemed important that the true pronunciation should be determined for use in oral official proceedings.
And, whereas, the matter has been thoroughly investigated by the State Historical Society and the Eclectic Society of Little Rock, which have agreed upon the correct pronunciation as derived from history and the early usage of the American immigrants.
Be it therefore resolved by both houses of the General Assembly, that the only true pronunciation of the name of the state, in the opinion of this body, is that received by the French from the native Indians and committed to writing in the French word representing the sound. It should be pronounced in three (3) syllables, with the final “s” silent, the “a” in each syllable with the Italian sound, and the accent on the first and last syllables. The pronunciation with the accent on the second syllable with the sound of “a” in “man” and the sounding of the terminal “s” is an innovation to be discouraged.
History..Concurrent Resolution No. 4, Acts 1881, p. 216; C. & M. Dig., § 9181a; Pope's Dig., § 11867; A.S.A. 1947, § 5-102.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:58 pm to mizzoukills
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Jesus Christ, in 1881 an entire state of people agreed to mispronounce a word. Should we accept mispronunciation in our society?
Wrong.
You're right about the meeting of the General Assembly to codify pronunciation and spelling of "Arkansas".
You are wrong that the pronunciation is not proper.
The pronunciation comes from the French spelling of the word the Arkansas Indians used to describe themselves. They called the land 'Arkansas'. Obviously they did not use the ISO basic Latin alphabet as we do or the French did. Therefore, the French used their alphabet to create a spelling for 'Arkansas'. In French, the final 'S' is silent, much the same as another French named state 'Illinois'.
Therefore, the General Assembly decided to codify the correct spelling and pronunciation of the name Arkansas as created by the French from Native origin.
Here's the link to the legislation:
LINK
Here is the wording of the legislation:
1-4-105. Pronunciation of state name.
Whereas, confusion of practice has arisen in the pronunciation of the name of our state and it is deemed important that the true pronunciation should be determined for use in oral official proceedings.
And, whereas, the matter has been thoroughly investigated by the State Historical Society and the Eclectic Society of Little Rock, which have agreed upon the correct pronunciation as derived from history and the early usage of the American immigrants.
Be it therefore resolved by both houses of the General Assembly, that the only true pronunciation of the name of the state, in the opinion of this body, is that received by the French from the native Indians and committed to writing in the French word representing the sound. It should be pronounced in three (3) syllables, with the final “s” silent, the “a” in each syllable with the Italian sound, and the accent on the first and last syllables. The pronunciation with the accent on the second syllable with the sound of “a” in “man” and the sounding of the terminal “s” is an innovation to be discouraged.
History..Concurrent Resolution No. 4, Acts 1881, p. 216; C. & M. Dig., § 9181a; Pope's Dig., § 11867; A.S.A. 1947, § 5-102.
Posted on 5/24/13 at 3:59 pm to mizzoukills
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Read my statement about the state of Arkansas formally embracing the mispronunciation of the word in 1881. The state should be pronounced Ar-KAN-sas, not Ar-kan-saw.
Wrong. I don't know where you get this. But it's not from fact. Possibly from your own meth riddled head.
You're right about the meeting of the General Assembly to codify pronunciation and spelling of "Arkansas".
You are wrong that the pronunciation is not proper.
The pronunciation comes from the French spelling of the word the Arkansas Indians used to describe themselves. They called the land 'Arkansas'. Obviously they did not use the ISO basic Latin alphabet as we do or the French did. Therefore, the French used their alphabet to create a spelling for 'Arkansas'. In French, the final 'S' is silent, much the same as another French named state 'Illinois'.
Therefore, the General Assembly decided to codify the correct spelling and pronunciation of the name Arkansas as created by the French from Native origin.
Here's the link to the legislation:
LINK
Here is the wording of the legislation:
1-4-105. Pronunciation of state name.
Whereas, confusion of practice has arisen in the pronunciation of the name of our state and it is deemed important that the true pronunciation should be determined for use in oral official proceedings.
And, whereas, the matter has been thoroughly investigated by the State Historical Society and the Eclectic Society of Little Rock, which have agreed upon the correct pronunciation as derived from history and the early usage of the American immigrants.
Be it therefore resolved by both houses of the General Assembly, that the only true pronunciation of the name of the state, in the opinion of this body, is that received by the French from the native Indians and committed to writing in the French word representing the sound. It should be pronounced in three (3) syllables, with the final “s” silent, the “a” in each syllable with the Italian sound, and the accent on the first and last syllables. The pronunciation with the accent on the second syllable with the sound of “a” in “man” and the sounding of the terminal “s” is an innovation to be discouraged.
History..Concurrent Resolution No. 4, Acts 1881, p. 216; C. & M. Dig., § 9181a; Pope's Dig., § 11867; A.S.A. 1947, § 5-102.
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