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re: Are you pleased with the SEC Expansion adding Mizzou & A&M?
Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:56 am to mizzoukills
Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:56 am to mizzoukills
Then why don't you pull out now and save yourself from being the football doormat. And if that is what you think of the people in the conference you have obviously never been to any school in the conference. Oh and by the way "yall suck" bunch of blowhards getting destroyed in conference. On the other hand A&M is proving they will be a great SEC addition. You never will be.
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Posted on 10/23/12 at 9:58 am to texastigerr
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Then why don't you pull out now and save yourself from being the football doormat. And if that is what you think of the people in the conference you have obviously never been to any school in the conference. Oh and by the way "yall suck" bunch of blowhards getting destroyed in conference. On the other hand A&M is proving they will be a great SEC addition. You never will be.
Mizzou blows
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:04 am to BigAggie06
38-31, 30-9, 40-26
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:12 am to Gradual_Stroke
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Old Man football. 'Nuff said.
Huh, you guys would be getting fricked up in the Big 12. Big 12 fans are actually laughing at the SEC because aTm is playing good with SEC teams and couldn't do shite in the Big 12.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:14 am to TenTex
Texas A&M, yes. I'd like to see A&M improve and become the premier football program in Texas.
Missouri, no. They need to get rid of those Big 12 uniforms and act like they're trying. Get some block numbers on the jerseys, black helmets with an M on it, and go kick some arse.
Missouri, no. They need to get rid of those Big 12 uniforms and act like they're trying. Get some block numbers on the jerseys, black helmets with an M on it, and go kick some arse.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:17 am to BreakawayZou83
3-4, 0-4 in conference
5-2, 2-2 in conference
Suck it Mizzou
5-2, 2-2 in conference
Suck it Mizzou
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:17 am to RollDawgRoll
I like aTm and hope they do well. Think I'll stop on that note.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:18 am to VolsFan24
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Tx am for fb
Mizz for basketball
True. Mizzou is good for basketball considering the SEC only have 3 ranked teams, Mizzou being one of them and a new member.
SEC needs to beef up Basketball power to go along with Football and Baseball power status.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:20 am to TenTex
They are an unbalanced pair and that makes the path in the east easier. I like both schools in the SEC though. I just hope that when we expand by another two the stronger team ends up in the east.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:21 am to TenTex
Although I may be in the minority here - I like having A&M and Mizzou. Mizzou is performing at levels I would have expected, and A&M has by far exceeded my expectations for this year.
It'll take a bit, but I fully expect Mizzou to shore up their football program. I also expect Mizzou to kick some arse in Basketball - too bad for them they traded Kansas for Kentucky.
It'll take a bit, but I fully expect Mizzou to shore up their football program. I also expect Mizzou to kick some arse in Basketball - too bad for them they traded Kansas for Kentucky.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:21 am to TeLeFaWx
As I stated, I don't think anything is happening anytime soon and for that matter I don't see the SEC throwing the first punch. The SEC is on top of the pile and about to get a LOT richer and more powerful so why mess with a good thing? That said, the SEC can't control the ACC destabilizing.
I agree that the Big 12 would go after all the schools you stated, though I'm not sure about Duke. Still, the SEC is better positioned across the board. UGA>GT, USC>Clemson, UF>FSU, NC>Duke. The geography of the Big 12 would also suck being spread out in a very disjointed manner with huge distances between the schools.
While the UNC brand is helped by the Duke rivalry, it is hardly dependent on it. UNC dominates the ACC and the State of NC politically. They are a very wealthy and very powerful school with a lot of graduates, great academics, and an elite level overall AD. Duke is a one trick pony with basketball with great academics. It's a small private school. They also would continue to play NC almost certainly no matter which conference the schools were in, Duke needs that game a lot more than NC. NC is easily the most valuable school in the ACC save ND. Realize in the State of NC you have 4 ACC schools. Yet at the same time NC controls NC State's board as a branch essentially. Duke and Wake are also both very small private schools with only a few thousand students and very small alumni bases. NC is the prize but they aren't going to leave the ACC unless they have to.
As I said as well, even though NC should be able to sell the SEC Network off of football they certainly would be able to do it off of basketball and other minor sports. NC fields great teams in just about every sport. NC and UK in the same conference for basketball would be ridiculous, much less with Florida and the other emerging SEC basketball schools.
The key is if the ACC blew up the SEC gets first choice. The Big 1G gets second choice. The Big 12 gets third choice. The rest end up in the abortion that is the Big East or some other irrelevant conference. At the same time the actual event that would most likely cause the breakup of the ACC is if FSU or Clemson finally decided they had had enough of being controlled by NC. Problem is that FSU especially is in a bad financial position right now and can't afford to risk the move and getting hit with a $50 million buyout, Clemson isn't in much better shape. The deck is simply stacked against them and it isn't helped by the fact that they are in SEC states with more powerful SEC schools that can make life difficult for them if they choose.
BTW, the reason the SEC has first choice is even if the Big 12 offered to pay the $50 mill buyout for them they would still likely take an SEC invite if extended. It's just not happening. The Big 1G would focus on the Northern ACC schools like Boston College and Syracuse and possibly Maryland and UVA. Pitt may get screwed because the Big 1G doesn't need another Pennsylvania school and the SEC wouldn't have much attraction to them. The Big 12 might go for it though, WVU would certainly do handstands if they could get their old rival back.
It's a giant chessboard with multiple variables and moves, the SEC is just in by far the best position and essentially not only can make any move it wants but realistically has first right of refusal on most schools that would want to make a move.
I agree that the Big 12 would go after all the schools you stated, though I'm not sure about Duke. Still, the SEC is better positioned across the board. UGA>GT, USC>Clemson, UF>FSU, NC>Duke. The geography of the Big 12 would also suck being spread out in a very disjointed manner with huge distances between the schools.
While the UNC brand is helped by the Duke rivalry, it is hardly dependent on it. UNC dominates the ACC and the State of NC politically. They are a very wealthy and very powerful school with a lot of graduates, great academics, and an elite level overall AD. Duke is a one trick pony with basketball with great academics. It's a small private school. They also would continue to play NC almost certainly no matter which conference the schools were in, Duke needs that game a lot more than NC. NC is easily the most valuable school in the ACC save ND. Realize in the State of NC you have 4 ACC schools. Yet at the same time NC controls NC State's board as a branch essentially. Duke and Wake are also both very small private schools with only a few thousand students and very small alumni bases. NC is the prize but they aren't going to leave the ACC unless they have to.
As I said as well, even though NC should be able to sell the SEC Network off of football they certainly would be able to do it off of basketball and other minor sports. NC fields great teams in just about every sport. NC and UK in the same conference for basketball would be ridiculous, much less with Florida and the other emerging SEC basketball schools.
The key is if the ACC blew up the SEC gets first choice. The Big 1G gets second choice. The Big 12 gets third choice. The rest end up in the abortion that is the Big East or some other irrelevant conference. At the same time the actual event that would most likely cause the breakup of the ACC is if FSU or Clemson finally decided they had had enough of being controlled by NC. Problem is that FSU especially is in a bad financial position right now and can't afford to risk the move and getting hit with a $50 million buyout, Clemson isn't in much better shape. The deck is simply stacked against them and it isn't helped by the fact that they are in SEC states with more powerful SEC schools that can make life difficult for them if they choose.
BTW, the reason the SEC has first choice is even if the Big 12 offered to pay the $50 mill buyout for them they would still likely take an SEC invite if extended. It's just not happening. The Big 1G would focus on the Northern ACC schools like Boston College and Syracuse and possibly Maryland and UVA. Pitt may get screwed because the Big 1G doesn't need another Pennsylvania school and the SEC wouldn't have much attraction to them. The Big 12 might go for it though, WVU would certainly do handstands if they could get their old rival back.
It's a giant chessboard with multiple variables and moves, the SEC is just in by far the best position and essentially not only can make any move it wants but realistically has first right of refusal on most schools that would want to make a move.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:22 am to ELVIS U
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They are an unbalanced pair and that makes the path in the east easier. I like both schools in the SEC though. I just hope that when we expand by another two the stronger team ends up in the east.
But remember some people want a FSU, Clemson, VT, etc. Don't you think that'll make some teams schedule a lot harder.lol. I laugh when mid tier schools want tougher competition, they can't even compete right now but they want a FSU, Clemson, etc.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:25 am to bayou2003
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Tx am for fb
Mizz for basketball
This is also a joke ... except for last year we have dominated Mizzou in basketball ... When the Aggies are on the floor Melvin Watkins can't win
6 of the past 8 years (start of the Gillispie era) we finished higher in the Big XII standings.
Same time frame we have 6 NCAA appearances and they have 4.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:26 am to TenTex
Extremely pleased to be in the SEC. The passion SEC fans have for their schools is unparalleled in the Big 12.
Haven't traveled to any of our new conference mates' venues, but thinking I might be able to make the arky and lsu games next year and am really looking forward to it.
Haven't traveled to any of our new conference mates' venues, but thinking I might be able to make the arky and lsu games next year and am really looking forward to it.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:26 am to TenTex
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1) First to Mizzou and A&M Fans, what are your thoughts with being in the SEC so far? Are there any differences you notice from SEC fans compared to Big 12 fans?
The SEC has been a fantastic move for A&M - both on and off of the football field. I can't remember when the average A&M fan has been this excited about the team. We obviously have a ton of work to do in order to get to a point where we're competing for an SEC conference championship year in and year out, but I do feel that we have the resources in place to get it done. The biggest barrier has just been the coaching over the last decade - we get into a situation where we tend to coddle our superstars to the point that they stop progressing. It's amazing to look at the QB production for our seniors, that has got to change, and I think that the current coaching staff is helping in that regard. (See Michael - arguably our best skill position player who was benched by Sumlin)
As far as the difference between the SEC and Big 12 fans, it's night and day. We've had such a frustrating relationship with the Big 12 and it's a breath of fresh air to be around more knowledgeable and respectful fans. SEC towns bring a football culture that you aren't going to find in Stillwater, Lubbock, Waco, etc. It's more than just going to a football game - it's experiencing an entirely different world with unique cultures, food, and football traditions. This is much more aligned with what we have in College Station and now we just need to continue to invest in our facilities and keep up with the momentum we've gained from the SEC move.
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2) How do the original SEC 12 schools feel about A&M and Mizzou and their fans? Do you have any personal stories to share from interacting with fans from either school?
I can't really answer this fully, but I think it's safe to say that everyone hates us, our traditions, and our football team. People are going to say that they are glad to see us leave, but I am going to miss having the daily interaction with the Tech, Texas, Baylor, and OU people that I work with. We don't have any SEC schools represented at the moment, so much of my experience is going to be on message boards and at the games.
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3) Has traveling to the 2 new schools been a pleasurable experience? If so, how? Have there been any special greetings?
n/a
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4) For Mizzou and A&M fans, how has travel been to SEC schools so far? Any special greetings?
Have not had a chance to go, but working on planning a road trip next year. Any recommendations?
We've got Arkansas, Ole Miss, LSU, and Missouri. I'm leaning toward Arkansas (friends) or LSU (atmosphere).
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5) Was adding both schools good for the SEC fan base? We know it's good for increased revenues.
It's tough for me to speak for the rest of the conference, but I can't see how it would be bad. Didn't adding A&M almost double the regional footprint of the conference? There's been this mythical element to the SEC and I know that the National Championship is the Holy Grail of College Football, but I think that it's good for all of the schools involved to have a solid 7-9 games a year of competitive football with fan bases that travel. Adding Missouri and A&M boosts the number of AAU schools in the SEC to 4 (Vanderbilt, Florida, A&M, and Missouri) so it helps with academics and research. I don't see how it's a negative move other than shaking up the status quo.
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6) Should we add another 2 schools soon to get our expansion to 16?
This is a tough one for me. I love the idea of having a Virginia Tech in the mix, but that seems ridden with political pressures and I am not sure who I would want to add alongside them. In theory, if we could grab Virginia Tech and Oklahoma, that would pretty much create a bowl environment every week. I know that's not possible. I think 14 is a great number for now, but we should be able to listen if something comes along.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:28 am to BreakawayZou83
I like Mizzou.
Yeah, they are not quite as good a fit as some other choices, but they bring a lot to the table in TVs, basketball, and other Olympic sports. The have the potential to have a good football program (just like, but maybe to a lesser extent, the potential A&M has).
I think A&M makes Mizzou look like a bad fit because A&M is such a good fit. I mean, damn. We have always been SEC. We were finally able to quell the threat of legislative action and got free. I have wanted to be SEC since 1990.
But, I think Mizzou is in transition from a basketball school that also likes football to an SEC school (no explanation needed). It may take a few years, but with new conference revenues, Mizzou will expand the stadium and start taking advantage of the huge population at its fingertips. There's enough talent in Missouri to support a pretty decent program, and they will always be good at basketball.
Missouri is also a pretty good school in academics. A&M is better. Don't start arguing with me, Mizzou fan. We're better. Y'all have a good journalism school and fairly good academics. So do several other SEC schools, but they don't get the credit they deserve, like Alabama. Pretty good school. They should be AAU too. (There are others. I am not smoking the bama dong. Just an example).
Anyway, Mizzou is in transition from a shitty conference, to a less shitty conference that became abusively shitty, to the best conference in America. They have the resources and support. They will adjust.
Yeah, they are not quite as good a fit as some other choices, but they bring a lot to the table in TVs, basketball, and other Olympic sports. The have the potential to have a good football program (just like, but maybe to a lesser extent, the potential A&M has).
I think A&M makes Mizzou look like a bad fit because A&M is such a good fit. I mean, damn. We have always been SEC. We were finally able to quell the threat of legislative action and got free. I have wanted to be SEC since 1990.
But, I think Mizzou is in transition from a basketball school that also likes football to an SEC school (no explanation needed). It may take a few years, but with new conference revenues, Mizzou will expand the stadium and start taking advantage of the huge population at its fingertips. There's enough talent in Missouri to support a pretty decent program, and they will always be good at basketball.
Missouri is also a pretty good school in academics. A&M is better. Don't start arguing with me, Mizzou fan. We're better. Y'all have a good journalism school and fairly good academics. So do several other SEC schools, but they don't get the credit they deserve, like Alabama. Pretty good school. They should be AAU too. (There are others. I am not smoking the bama dong. Just an example).
Anyway, Mizzou is in transition from a shitty conference, to a less shitty conference that became abusively shitty, to the best conference in America. They have the resources and support. They will adjust.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:32 am to BigAggie06
I think the Mizzou hate here is misplaced. Mizzou adds quite a bit to the conference. Lots of TV's, new markets, and a cultural expansion. Mizzou gives Arkie a natural rival and also will fit well as a basketball centered school for Kentucky. The SEC is far stronger being more than just a Southern conference, adding Texas, the Midwest, and eventually more of the East Coast to the footprint is how you go from being a great conference to being a truly dominant one.
Mizzou doesn't have all the "adds" that A&M brings but it has a lot. 2 major cities. AAU status. Dominance of a good sized state where they are the only major school. Decent athletic programs that they are investing to improve. They pull their weight. The tough thing for them is they are getting a very harsh initiation into the reality of just how good you have to be to win at football in the SEC. Of course there is a reason for the SEC having "The Big 6", it's really freaking hard to break through just as Arkansas and South Carolina have found. I think Mizzou will follow a similar path of struggling for a few years but eventually competing and if the stars align just right maybe winning an SEC championship someday.
Mizzou doesn't have all the "adds" that A&M brings but it has a lot. 2 major cities. AAU status. Dominance of a good sized state where they are the only major school. Decent athletic programs that they are investing to improve. They pull their weight. The tough thing for them is they are getting a very harsh initiation into the reality of just how good you have to be to win at football in the SEC. Of course there is a reason for the SEC having "The Big 6", it's really freaking hard to break through just as Arkansas and South Carolina have found. I think Mizzou will follow a similar path of struggling for a few years but eventually competing and if the stars align just right maybe winning an SEC championship someday.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:33 am to BigAggie06
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This is also a joke ... except for last year we have dominated Mizzou in basketball ... When the Aggies are on the floor Melvin Watkins can't win
6 of the past 8 years (start of the Gillispie era) we finished higher in the Big XII standings.
Same time frame we have 6 NCAA appearances and they have 4.
I believe Mizzou have 2 recent Big 12 tournament titles, been ranked as high as #2, can hang with a National basketball power in KU so we know they can play basketball. And they already have good transfers and recruits coming in, they'll only get better.
Just thinking about rankings, within the past 5-6 years Mizzou has been ranked #2 in both football and men's basketball, not many schools can say that. So we know Mizzou can compete in both sports when they get the talent.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:35 am to KaiserSoze99
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I think A&M makes Mizzou look like a bad fit because A&M is such a good fit. I mean, damn. We have always been SEC. We were finally able to quell the threat of legislative action and got free. I have wanted to be SEC since 1990.
Good point.
My feelings on Mizzou could not be more lukewarm. We never really had a rivalry in the big12, as evidenced by some very lackluster atmospheres on both sides whenever we'd meet on the gridiron. Wish them the best, but as we're in different divisions again, I can't see anything more substantial developing between us other than the occasional check up to see how the other "newbie" is doing.
Posted on 10/23/12 at 10:38 am to mizzoukills
Mizzou wanted to be in the Big 10 so they could continue the illusion that they are big time in football. Now that that has been shattered by a league that plays defense, the SEC can only hope that they bring some legitimacy to basketball. I have no knowledge of Mizzou's baseball tradition or lack thereof. Yankee gumps, how are y'all in baseball?
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