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re: Am I the only one who agrees with Pete Carrol's call?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:45 pm to MSUbulldogs03
Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:45 pm to MSUbulldogs03
I read today that INT was the first one of it's kind this year during goal line situations. There have been two lost fumbles by contrast. Jus saying'.
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:56 pm to Robin Masters
Bad call + damn good play by the DB.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:01 pm to MSUbulldogs03
Why try to catch them "off guard"
They know you're going to run, so what, you run it anyway, you still get the yard.
Passing is way riskier, any time you put the ball in the air a lot of bad things can happen.
Was a horrible decision.
You have one of the strongest RB's in the game, you use him.
They know you're going to run, so what, you run it anyway, you still get the yard.
Passing is way riskier, any time you put the ball in the air a lot of bad things can happen.
Was a horrible decision.
You have one of the strongest RB's in the game, you use him.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:03 pm to MSUbulldogs03
There was 20 some odd seconds left and the Seahawks had 1 timeout left.
They could never get 3 running plays off with one time out.
So a pass gets them a TD or an incompletion, then you either score ( obvious ) or you have 15 seconds left with 1 time out, which allows you to run ( run ) 2 plays with one timeout. The coach new he had to pass on second or third down in order to get 3 plays, if he runs on 2nd down, calls a timeout and runs on 3rd he then probably will not get his 4rth down play off in time, maybe but maybe not. So their had to be a pass on 2nd or 3rd down. On 2nd the coach figures he's gong to catch them off guard, so the call was not bad per se. It is only bad to arm chair QB's.
But I would have ran on 2nd down and then passed on 3rd down.
But here is the catch, and why you cant blame the coach. If you run on 2nd down and don't get it,( like I would have done ) you have to use your last time out, then with only 15 seconds left the other teams knows you will have to pass on 3rd down in order to have a chance at a fourth down.
So the coaches thinking was not bad, the other guy just made a play.
They could never get 3 running plays off with one time out.
So a pass gets them a TD or an incompletion, then you either score ( obvious ) or you have 15 seconds left with 1 time out, which allows you to run ( run ) 2 plays with one timeout. The coach new he had to pass on second or third down in order to get 3 plays, if he runs on 2nd down, calls a timeout and runs on 3rd he then probably will not get his 4rth down play off in time, maybe but maybe not. So their had to be a pass on 2nd or 3rd down. On 2nd the coach figures he's gong to catch them off guard, so the call was not bad per se. It is only bad to arm chair QB's.
But I would have ran on 2nd down and then passed on 3rd down.
But here is the catch, and why you cant blame the coach. If you run on 2nd down and don't get it,( like I would have done ) you have to use your last time out, then with only 15 seconds left the other teams knows you will have to pass on 3rd down in order to have a chance at a fourth down.
So the coaches thinking was not bad, the other guy just made a play.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:04 pm to MSUbulldogs03
With the time and time out situation I don't disagree with the pass call but the type play. Throw a back shoulder fade to your tallest receiver. He gets it or nobody gets it. Leaves 2 downs with a timeout if incomplete.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:32 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
Good post Crazy........best analysis I have read in this thread.....agree 100%
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:33 pm to MSUbulldogs03
I saw this guy break 73 tackles on a single play against the Saints. You going to tell me he cannot gain 1 yard on 2 running attempts?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:41 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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There was 20 some odd seconds left and the Seahawks had 1 timeout left.
They could never get 3 running plays off with one time out.
So a pass gets them a TD or an incompletion, then you either score ( obvious ) or you have 15 seconds left with 1 time out, which allows you to run ( run ) 2 plays with one timeout. The coach new he had to pass on second or third down in order to get 3 plays, if he runs on 2nd down, calls a timeout and runs on 3rd he then probably will not get his 4rth down play off in time, maybe but maybe not. So their had to be a pass on 2nd or 3rd down. On 2nd the coach figures he's gong to catch them off guard, so the call was not bad per se. It is only bad to arm chair QB's.
But I would have ran on 2nd down and then passed on 3rd down.
But here is the catch, and why you cant blame the coach. If you run on 2nd down and don't get it,( like I would have done ) you have to use your last time out, then with only 15 seconds left the other teams knows you will have to pass on 3rd down in order to have a chance at a fourth down.
So the coaches thinking was not bad, the other guy just made a play.
I just didn't like the slant pattern although I get why they'd pass, but that was a great play by the NE DB, no question.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:51 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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They had just ran Marshawn on first down. Im sure Pats were expecting another run
They were expecting the run on first down as well, and still gave up several yards.
That defense was utterly reeling from that ridiculous catch, and the lowest percentage play that Carroll could dial up there is a quick slant. Sure it works most of the time, but a good defender can jump that route if he is expecting it, and that's exactly what happened. A run takes those defenders out of the equation, and furthermore it puts the ball in the hands of your most reliable player.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 9:53 pm to MSUbulldogs03
I can see your point, but feel you dance with the one who brung ya. Run the ball again, if it scores it is game. If not timeout with two more shots in the air.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 10:04 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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9 times out of 10 a pass on the 1 yard line is either incomplete or caught for a TD
When you throw it so that only your player can catch it. NOT, when you throw it in the middle of the field with half of the defenders on the field within 3 yards of your target.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 12:14 am to MSUbulldogs03
I don't agree with the call at all. But if you do throw, play action fake to Marshawn and roll out. Nothing open throw it away or let Wilson run it to the pylon. Boneheaded, unnecessary call. When you have Marshawn Beast Mode Lynch in the backfield, you run him every time from the one until they stop him. If they stop him 3 more times they deserve to win. But it wouldn't have happened. NE was tired.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 12:48 am to MSUbulldogs03
yes.
you are the only person on this planet.
explain why you do not throw to the back pylon to the 6 4" guy who make two big catches so only your guy can touch it?
you are the only person on this planet.
explain why you do not throw to the back pylon to the 6 4" guy who make two big catches so only your guy can touch it?
Posted on 2/3/15 at 5:54 am to MSUbulldogs03
I don't care for Carroll or Seattle and will not be guilty of defending them, but the call was't that bad. He had three downs and 30 seconds or so on the clock with only one time-out. Second down was the right time to throw it. If complete, they win. If incomplete, clock stops and they have two downs to run it with one time-out to kill the clock if they don't get in on third down.
The reason the pass play was bad was because of a great play by the kid from NE.If the pass would have been completed, Carroll and the Seattle offensive coaching staff would have been praised as geniuses for crossing the defense up and winning the game for not doing the expected.
The reason the pass play was bad was because of a great play by the kid from NE.If the pass would have been completed, Carroll and the Seattle offensive coaching staff would have been praised as geniuses for crossing the defense up and winning the game for not doing the expected.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:23 am to MSUbulldogs03
You betcha
Posted on 2/3/15 at 6:46 am to MSUbulldogs03
Here's the thing, that slant/ rub route should not have been called from the sideline. If Wilson gets to the line and audibles to it based on how he reads the defense, great, but that's not what happened.
Everyone is to blame for that play, the coaches shouldn't have called that play, Wilson should have audibled to a dive, period.
Everyone is to blame for that play, the coaches shouldn't have called that play, Wilson should have audibled to a dive, period.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 7:11 am to MSUbulldogs03
I would've agreed with the call if Seattle didn't have a timeout...but they did. I also can't see throwin' it over the middle there into the teeth of the defense...more passes are intercepted on throws over the middle...
Other than a Marshawn Lynch run, the only other call I might've made would be a play-action bootleg, giving Wilson a run-pass option where he could throw it away if neither option was open...but then again, I wasn't there and, in the heat of the moment, who knows what I might've called...
Other than a Marshawn Lynch run, the only other call I might've made would be a play-action bootleg, giving Wilson a run-pass option where he could throw it away if neither option was open...but then again, I wasn't there and, in the heat of the moment, who knows what I might've called...
Posted on 2/3/15 at 8:23 am to MSUbulldogs03
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Am I the only one who agrees with Pete Carrol's call?
I haven't read any other posts, but to answer your question I think that was a pretty bad play call. If you're going to throw, why attempt slant 1 yard away from the line of scrimmage right on the goal line, in heavy traffic where they are at least expecting a run in the middle? At least bootleg or throw to the corner pylon.
This post was edited on 2/3/15 at 8:24 am
Posted on 2/3/15 at 1:26 pm to sassyLSU
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why you do not throw to the back pylon to the 6 4" guy who make two big catches so only your guy can touch it?
The play takes a little more time to develop and you do run the risk of a sack...which would force you to burn a timeout.
Posted on 2/3/15 at 1:30 pm to JesusQuintana
quote:I heard an interesting stat. Lynch had rushed the ball 5 times from the 1 and never scored this year. I was surprised to hear that.
Beast mode. 1 yard out. Pound the rock.
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