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re: All signs point to Virginia & UNC fans
Posted on 8/16/14 at 8:51 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
Posted on 8/16/14 at 8:51 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
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As for espn, I really don't think they could stop the sec if the sec was determined to do something.
Key word is determined.
Slive (top dog in SEC) and Skipper (top dog in Disney) are buds
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why would the SEC be the ACC's firewall?
Look at the big picture. The B1G and PAC have been buds for ages and can use each other to further a single goal. Same with the ACC and SEC. Go back to the 1950's and the rise of the NCAA football television monopoly. Go back and look at the CFA in the 1970's and how the sides fell back then. More than a half century has passed and things have not changed nor will they no matter what the average fans think.
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 8:59 am to crispyUGA
Ok, I just assumed the Cavaliers were named after a cavalier regiment from Lee's army of Northern Virginia. My bad. 
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:08 am to jbond
Uh oh. The armchair bad arse is in the house. Lookout. 
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:12 am to Cheese Grits
If what you say about Slive and Skipper is true, then I will have to concede that the sec getting Virginia and UNC is not going to happen. 
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:13 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
UNC won't let Tobacco Road schools split up.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:15 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
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The armchair bad arse is in the house.
jbond is not trying to be a badass just trying to help you look less uninformed.
If you are just trolling at least be funny. If you really don't know just ask. This site has Tar Heel and Hoo fans who are pretty decent posters.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:24 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
East Carolina University in North Carolina has an enrollment of 27,000 and a medical school.
The football stadium is planning for a $40 million upgrade. The upgrades will include a new press, club, and suite areas, and upper deck, all located on the south side. This addition will increase the capacity from 50,000 to 60,000.
The football stadium is planning for a $40 million upgrade. The upgrades will include a new press, club, and suite areas, and upper deck, all located on the south side. This addition will increase the capacity from 50,000 to 60,000.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:27 am to Cheese Grits
Trolling, where was I trolling? As far as being uninformed, just how many posters on here do you think was aware of slive and skipper? Plus, now that you have put me down, I will enjoy watching your posts with great scrutiny from here on out. Cheese grits. Got it burned into my memory. I look forward to many great debates with you. 
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 9:31 am
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:27 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
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If what you say about Slive and Skipper is true, then I will have to concede that the sec getting Virginia and UNC is not going to happen.
It is more that just Skipper and Slive. Go back to the history of 3 conferences.
Western, became the B1G - and Nebraska tried for 100 years or so before they finally got in
Pacific Coast, became the PAC after massive cheating in the 1950's shut down the original PCC.
SIAA, mother to the SEC, ACC, and SWC schools. TAMU was in the old SIAA so 100 years later they rejoined the offshoot SEC. The bulk of the SIAA was split by the Appalachian Mountains (and difficult travel back then) so the SEC became the west and the ACC became the east.
Most all movement by schools over the past century is probably greatly impacted by early membership or proximity to one of these 3 conferences.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:35 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
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Trolling, where was I trolling.
With low post count it usually indicates newbie, troll, or alter. Your first 500 posts will generally give an indication which it is. Look at the upper corner of your OP, if you see lots of red arrows it usually indicates trolling or posting something that has been beaten to death.
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Plus, now that you have put me down
Was not putting you down, just trying to turn your red arrows to green ones. Makes like better for everybody
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I look forward to many great debates with you.
Groovy by me. Find your strength and bring the heat.
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As far as being uninformed, just how many posters on here do you think was aware of slive and skipper?
During realignment discussion it made it into most serious posts for about 4 years now.
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:35 am to Cheese Grits
Fortunately, the ACC has solidified. UNC and UVA each offer 28 NCAA sports; thus many sports would have no where to go if there was a move to the SEC. UNC probably has a closer connection to UVA than Duke.
After Maryland left, I approached a good friend of mine who is on the UNC Board of Trustees to ask him if UNC might consider joining the SEC if the ACC collapsed. He looked at me as if I had a third eye, stating UNC would NEVER join the SEC. If the conference collapsed we would join the BIG. Sigh.
After Maryland left, I approached a good friend of mine who is on the UNC Board of Trustees to ask him if UNC might consider joining the SEC if the ACC collapsed. He looked at me as if I had a third eye, stating UNC would NEVER join the SEC. If the conference collapsed we would join the BIG. Sigh.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:39 am to dlc83
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UNC probably has a closer connection to UVA than Duke.
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Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:41 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
Threads like this pop up often.. but I'll play along.. I'm long winded, so bear with me y'all.. :-)
I've been on college tours at all 5 schools mentioned, being from SC I knew that I wanted to attend undergrad in either the Carolinas or Virginia. I now work in Higher Education, so I still make my way around to other universities. When realignment comes knocking again (and it will), I see it as a win-win for the SEC. The difference is whether you want to win BIG or small when it's all said and done....
My observations: all of the schools feel like SEC schools, except Duke. VT REALLY felt like an SEC school. VT and NCSU seem like the obvious choices now... but UVA and UNC are the real sleeping giants. Both are flagships in talent rich states with large TV markets. Both have donor/alumni bases that are willing to support their athletic programs. Both have HUGE endowments. Trust me, they CAN keep up with the SEC, they're just missing the conference affiliation.
I'm not very fond of UNC, but UNC and UVA are the schools that SEC should be zoning in on next.
As far as sports....yes, Soccer and lacrosse are HUGE at both schools. The entire SEC doesn't have to field soccer/lax programs to lure in UNC/UVA. The SEC sponsors equestrian and only 4 schools in conference have equestrian programs. UNC/UVA would be located in the SEC east. Two SEC east programs already have men's soccer. Women's soccer is a conf sport. With the growing popularity of both sports among the under 35 demo, I can't see UF and UGA holding off on Men's soccer forever. Atlanta is a hotspot. SC recruits ATL for soccer talent.
I'm focusing on the SEC east because I don't really think soccer and lax would work at most SEC west schools, but it would at most SEC east schools. Soccer and club lacrosse are both flourishing at SC for 2 reasons.. 1. SC is a "Southern school" but it's also very much so an "east coast school". A lot, and I mean A LOT of SC's students come from NC, VA, Maryland/DC Suburbs and surprisingly New Jersey. Therefore, because of demographics, both sports are already popular at SC... and 2. soccer and lacrosse are growing at the high school level in SC. Most 2A/1A high schools in SC (less than 800 students) now have soccer programs. I graduated from a rural, most black, high school 45 minutes outside of Charleston. They started a soccer program 3 years ago. SC, as a school, has a ratio of about 60/40 female to male. We just added sand volleyball as a women's sport. We're beefing up our soccer facilities as I type this and adding space in our athletic complex for more practice fields. One of those fields can easily become a lax facility. My guess, Men's lax becomes the next D1 sport at SC, and we're gonna add women's lax to offset adding another men's sport.
UF already has women's soccer and lax, with outstanding facilities to boot. Idk their demos but I have to guess Men's soccer and lax are next, right? UGA only has women's soccer, but I can't see them allowing themselves to get too far behind UF and SC in anything, plus they have the recruiting hotbed of ATL in their backyard so they can field a competitive team almost overnight.. Kentucky, will follow suit because their demographics fit for soccer and lax as well. Vanderbilt will add for sure.
All in all, I think we have ZERO shot at both UNC and UVA. The admins (and fans in a way) at both schools seem to want B1G. If the B1G does come down south and acquire both schools eventually then that's a direct threat to the SEC and I don't see us having much of a choice than adding FSU and Clemson. Which would be unfortunate.
I've been on college tours at all 5 schools mentioned, being from SC I knew that I wanted to attend undergrad in either the Carolinas or Virginia. I now work in Higher Education, so I still make my way around to other universities. When realignment comes knocking again (and it will), I see it as a win-win for the SEC. The difference is whether you want to win BIG or small when it's all said and done....
My observations: all of the schools feel like SEC schools, except Duke. VT REALLY felt like an SEC school. VT and NCSU seem like the obvious choices now... but UVA and UNC are the real sleeping giants. Both are flagships in talent rich states with large TV markets. Both have donor/alumni bases that are willing to support their athletic programs. Both have HUGE endowments. Trust me, they CAN keep up with the SEC, they're just missing the conference affiliation.
I'm not very fond of UNC, but UNC and UVA are the schools that SEC should be zoning in on next.
As far as sports....yes, Soccer and lacrosse are HUGE at both schools. The entire SEC doesn't have to field soccer/lax programs to lure in UNC/UVA. The SEC sponsors equestrian and only 4 schools in conference have equestrian programs. UNC/UVA would be located in the SEC east. Two SEC east programs already have men's soccer. Women's soccer is a conf sport. With the growing popularity of both sports among the under 35 demo, I can't see UF and UGA holding off on Men's soccer forever. Atlanta is a hotspot. SC recruits ATL for soccer talent.
I'm focusing on the SEC east because I don't really think soccer and lax would work at most SEC west schools, but it would at most SEC east schools. Soccer and club lacrosse are both flourishing at SC for 2 reasons.. 1. SC is a "Southern school" but it's also very much so an "east coast school". A lot, and I mean A LOT of SC's students come from NC, VA, Maryland/DC Suburbs and surprisingly New Jersey. Therefore, because of demographics, both sports are already popular at SC... and 2. soccer and lacrosse are growing at the high school level in SC. Most 2A/1A high schools in SC (less than 800 students) now have soccer programs. I graduated from a rural, most black, high school 45 minutes outside of Charleston. They started a soccer program 3 years ago. SC, as a school, has a ratio of about 60/40 female to male. We just added sand volleyball as a women's sport. We're beefing up our soccer facilities as I type this and adding space in our athletic complex for more practice fields. One of those fields can easily become a lax facility. My guess, Men's lax becomes the next D1 sport at SC, and we're gonna add women's lax to offset adding another men's sport.
UF already has women's soccer and lax, with outstanding facilities to boot. Idk their demos but I have to guess Men's soccer and lax are next, right? UGA only has women's soccer, but I can't see them allowing themselves to get too far behind UF and SC in anything, plus they have the recruiting hotbed of ATL in their backyard so they can field a competitive team almost overnight.. Kentucky, will follow suit because their demographics fit for soccer and lax as well. Vanderbilt will add for sure.
All in all, I think we have ZERO shot at both UNC and UVA. The admins (and fans in a way) at both schools seem to want B1G. If the B1G does come down south and acquire both schools eventually then that's a direct threat to the SEC and I don't see us having much of a choice than adding FSU and Clemson. Which would be unfortunate.
This post was edited on 8/16/14 at 9:53 am
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:46 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
Tarheels is from revolutionary war.... Not war of northern aggression. I would assume the same thing for UVA given that Thomas Jefferson founded the school.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:47 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
For the best TV grab in each state UNC far outweighs any other school. For Virginia, UVa is probably the best, but VT isn't too far behind.
The problem with Virginia is that is mostly a pro football state, except for the rural southern part of the state. That could change over time though if UVa were to ever get their shite together.
The problem with Virginia is that is mostly a pro football state, except for the rural southern part of the state. That could change over time though if UVa were to ever get their shite together.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:48 am to Cheese Grits
Yes, I'm a newbie on this site and debating sports. However, I'm pretty good at debating politics. I guess we will have to see if it will spill over into the world of sports. We shall see.
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:49 am to LAREBEL2013
So Texas and Texas A&m are willing to separate, two huge public schools that have hated each other for 100 years, but UNc and duke, one public and one small private school, who didn't really give a shite about each other until the late 80s, won't separate?
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:53 am to lsupride87
Exactly. :jump1: :jump2:
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:54 am to IwuzJuzStandnderOfce
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Detroit Mercy Fan
Same Detroit Mercy the SEC has raided for basketball players (M & W) ?
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I'm pretty good at debating politics.
There is a poli board specifically for that here but I don't post there
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I'm a newbie on this site and debating sports.
What brought you to the Rant?
What college teams do you follow?
What sports do you follow?
Posted on 8/16/14 at 9:57 am to lsupride87
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UNc and duke, one public and one small private school, who didn't really give a shite about each other until the late 80s, won't separate?
The historic rivalry was NC State and UNC until ESPN got involved and Wolfpack got in NCAA trouble. If NC State stays out of trouble, we probably never hear about UNC vs Duke.
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