re: Alabama RB issues

not really the numbers I was looking for.

More interested in individual players production to date. Especially from the guys that are projected to be the backups along the front seven.

All I am saying is that the backups along the front seven are noway nearly as experienced as what last year's reserves along the front seven were. Not saying they aren't good.

No question tide has one of the best defenses every year.

If bama's two deep on the front seven is as deep and experienced as they claim them to be they would have played in '15? Right?

They would have recorded some stats? Right?

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Damien Harris has been underwhelming

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You mean he hasn't looked all world in the 4th qtr of blowout wins when he's running behind a 2nd and 3rd team o-line into the teeth of a defense that KNOWS without doubt that it's a running play?

Yeah. Harris is going to be fine. Let's see how he looks behind the starting O-line and when the threat of a pass prevents him from running into a 9 man box.

Not trying to be a dick but you are more than welcome to go digging through the old Google machine and look up whatever individual stats for the players that you are talking about. Feel free to post the results once you're done.

It's just not that serious for me since I have seen enough of Saban's recruits come to fruition year in and year out.

Da'Ron Payne DL SO 6-2/315
O.J. Smith DL SO 6-2/308
Jonathan Allen DL SR 6-3/283
Da'Shawn Hand DL JR 6-4/273
Jake Long DL SR 5-9/226
Dalvin Tomlinson DL SR 6-3/294
Joshua Frazier DL JR 6-4/315
Johnny Dwight DL/TE SO 6-3/300
Mekhi Brown LB SO 6-5/240
Ryan Anderson LB SR 6-2/249
Shaun Dion Hamilton LB JR 6-0/229
Rashaan Evans LB JR 6-3/225
Adonis Thomas LB RS FR 6-2/228
Keith Holcombe LB SO 6-4/223
Reuben Foster LB SR 6-1/240
Tim Williams LB SR 6-4/230
Keaton Anderson LB SO 6-1/220
Shawn Jennings LB FR 6-1/228
Gussie Busch LB SO 5-11/205
Joshua McMillon LB RS FR 6-3/240
Christian Miller LB SO 6-4/213
Derrick Garnett LB JR 6-1/250
Jamey Mosley LB SO 6-5/221

Front 7--Allen returning starter at DE and a 1st round talent. Payne, former 5-star NT who started as a true freshman last year, budding star. Former 5-star Hand who played a ton at the other DE. Tomilson, 5th year senior who played as much as the starters last year will be top back-up. King is a JUCO guy and likely back-up at other DE. Frazier and OJ Smith return to provide depth on the interior...and that doesn't include the guys who arrive this summer.

At LB Foster and Anderson return as starters and Williams and Hamilton will start and were both top back-ups last year with good production. Back-ups include former 5-stars Evans and Miller along with the best LB class signed in 2016.

In other words a ton of returning experience in the starting front 7, and a little in second group. Won't be as dominant as last year, but easily a top 5 unit nationally, and our secondary could be better with so much returning talent and all of our youth starting to develop back there. I expect a top 5 defense. If offense is on point, Bama will be a tough out again this year for anyone.

payne played a bunch last year. He actually played in every game. He did start as a true freshman but, it was only in three games. Not like he would be considered a returning starter. Right?

hand avg one tackle per game, 15 games played - 16 tackles.

As for the backup Dlinemen. frazier and smith played in a combined seven games with a total of five tackles. Jucos are a hit or miss situation. Plus, king was only a 3* but bama fans will claim him as a 5* recruit for future reference.

Solid starting three. Don't think they will be as good as the '15 starting three. Backups are nowhere near as experienced as the '15 group.

Psst, just between you and me. anderson didn't start a single game last year. foster did start for half the season though. Hamilton even got a few starting nods himself.

Did the tide sign any other LBs beside davis and wilson? If not I would take a class that signed five 4*s and one 3* over them. Safety in numbers. Who had miller as a 5*?

Thanks for proving my point, tons of returning starters and experience in that front 7. When people said Bama had two starting front 7s last year, that wasn't hyperbole. Bama started and rotated a ton of guys last year depending on sets, who we were playing, etc. Ryan Anderson played every bit as much as Devall last year and probably more whether he technically started the game or not. He was also far more effective and has been considered a starter the last two years in our camp.

As far as stats for our DL, I won't waste time educating you on the role of a DL in a base 3-4 defense. Suffice it to say Payne, Allen and Hand/Tomilson will comprise one of, if not the best DL in the nation in 2016. King being a 3-star means very little. He will be a solid back-up. And just FYI...Jerran Reed was a 3-star JUCO for us a couple of years ago.

according to the university of alabama roll tide web site player participation foster started EIGHT games in '15.

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according to the university of alabama roll tide web site player participation foster started EIGHT games in '15

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I don't know what to tell you, Rueben Foster was one of our starting linebackers. Some games against 5-wide spread teams did he start the first play of the game? Probably not, because we ran full Dime packages with only Reggie starting as a "LB".

He finished #2 on the team in tackles with 73. So, if that is a part time player to you, then so be it.