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re: Alabama and Tennessee: Better Basketball Job?
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:53 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:53 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Again, fan support is your end-all-be-all here
was saying it was volfan's end-all-be-all
not mine
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Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:53 pm to cas4t
I don't know about recruiting budgets (can be skewed as well fwiw), but do you not think Tennessee has better facilities than UF?
Much, much nicer and bigger arena (although both schools are renovating this offseason) and a newer and bigger practice facility?
Much, much nicer and bigger arena (although both schools are renovating this offseason) and a newer and bigger practice facility?
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:54 pm to cas4t
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Winning brings the fan base out
True, I was nowhere to be found for AU BB until Bruce and now I feel I am rooting for Duke the Laetner years...
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:56 pm to volfan30
UF's main strength and conditioning facilities where the football team lifts is used by all athletes besides basketballs
basketball's is across the street where no one except basketball can workout, and they have their own set of strength coaches. All other strength coaches work at least 2-3 sports, with the exception of football strength coaches (obviously)
or that's how it was back in 2010. I've seen UT's, and they are legit as hell. But I remember interning at UF and thinking how crazy it was that they pretty much secluded basketball from all other sports.
eta I won't claim that UF or LSU > UT in terms of support, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like to think. And as we've both said, a lot of factors would need to be weighed.
basketball's is across the street where no one except basketball can workout, and they have their own set of strength coaches. All other strength coaches work at least 2-3 sports, with the exception of football strength coaches (obviously)
or that's how it was back in 2010. I've seen UT's, and they are legit as hell. But I remember interning at UF and thinking how crazy it was that they pretty much secluded basketball from all other sports.
eta I won't claim that UF or LSU > UT in terms of support, but I don't think it's as clear cut as some would like to think. And as we've both said, a lot of factors would need to be weighed.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:56 pm to AUCE05
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UT had a run because of Pearl, and you guys think you are Kentucky.
Jerry Green and Cuonzo Martin both made Sweet 16s at Tennessee in the last 15 years. Let's not pretend Pearl is the only guy capable of having success here.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:57 pm to cas4t
Yeah, there's always a lot of decent points back in forth in arguing why certain programs are better but, in the end, there's just not much difference in the SEC schools after Kentucky.
The only people who are wrong are the one's saying all the better (or maybe all of them period) SEC jobs aren't pretty closely grouped.
What recent history makes abundantly clear is that a great coach, supported by the AD, can have success at any SEC school but, at the same time, an average coach isn't going to be helped out much by any large inherent advantages anywhere except Kentucky either.
The only people who are wrong are the one's saying all the better (or maybe all of them period) SEC jobs aren't pretty closely grouped.
What recent history makes abundantly clear is that a great coach, supported by the AD, can have success at any SEC school but, at the same time, an average coach isn't going to be helped out much by any large inherent advantages anywhere except Kentucky either.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 3/28/15 at 3:59 pm to wm72
I think those are very fair points. UK is on the level of Duke and Syracuse.
UK
the rest of the SEC
UK
the rest of the SEC
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:01 pm to wm72
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an average coach isn't going to be helped out much by any large inherent advantages anywhere except Kentucky either.
BUT I do think that UF is now accustomed to success, and would put forth the money and effort to stay relevant more so than most other schools in the SEC.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:05 pm to volfan30
Auburn and UT have the same number of elite 8 appearances, with UT having only 2-3 more sweet sixteen's. Let's not have emotional posts, and over look the actual stats.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:10 pm to cas4t
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BUT I do think that UF is now accustomed to success, and would put forth the money and effort to stay relevant more so than most other schools in the SEC.
That may well be true. Certainly agree that they would put forth more effort than a lot of the SEC.
My only hesitation would be that many would have said something similar about Arkansas after Richardson.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:12 pm to AUCE05
SEC titles
Auburn: 3
Tennessee: 9
SEC Tourney titles
Auburn: 1
Tennessee: 4
NCAA Tourneys
Auburn: 8
Tennessee: 20
Sweet 16s
Auburn: 4
Tennessee: 7
Does not look too close to me.
Auburn: 3
Tennessee: 9
SEC Tourney titles
Auburn: 1
Tennessee: 4
NCAA Tourneys
Auburn: 8
Tennessee: 20
Sweet 16s
Auburn: 4
Tennessee: 7
Does not look too close to me.
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:16 pm to volfan30
Thanks for proving my point. UT is not a basketball school, and is not on the level with Bama, Arky, or UF. So back to my point; no, OP, UT is not a better BB program than Bama.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:21 pm to cas4t
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Again, fan support is not an end-all-be-all here. Recruiting budgets, facility renovations, branding, etc all show how much a school cares about a given program.
UK, UT and Arky are the only teams in the top 20 of the most valuable college basketball programs.
UK-3
UT-15
Arky-20
Attendance and value of the program should be a pretty good metric for how much a school cares about it's program.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:29 pm to AUCE05
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Thanks for proving my point. UT is not a basketball school, and is not on the level with Bama, Arky, or UF. So back to my point; no, OP, UT is not a better BB program than Bama.
SEC Titles
UT-9
UA-7
NCAA Tourney appearances
Both-20
Sweet 16
UA-8
UT-7
Elite 8
Both-1
Looks like it is on the level
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:33 pm to BigOrangeBri
Looks to me like UT > UA.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:38 pm to Korin
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Looks to me like UT > UA.
When you add facilities, program value and fan support........I would agree.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:40 pm to BigOrangeBri
I'm just curious but who has more basketball support in Tennessee. Memphis Tigers or the Vols
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:41 pm to psk_Vol
Right now, Bama. Much more money, more stable, no recent NCAA troubles.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:50 pm to restore the roar
They play in a hangar though.
Posted on 3/28/15 at 4:54 pm to restore the roar
bama isn't that stable. They have an interim school president and a 80 year old athletic director
This post was edited on 3/28/15 at 4:55 pm
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