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re: ACC's turn to decide 8 vs. 9; implications for non-conference games vs. SEC?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:30 pm to Cheese Grits
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:30 pm to Cheese Grits
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Cheese Grits
Miami wants 8 to keep Florida
I thought FSU/Florida played each other more often than Miami/Florida.
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:47 pm to southernboisb
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I thought FSU/Florida played each other more often than Miami/Florida.
They do, but when Gators play Hurricanes is sells well in the stadium. SEC teams bring more fans and boost ticket sales. Very few ACC teams lead the attendance numbers. If those rival games did not draw, they would get canned. Pretty sure most of the top attended games in the Pizza Pit (outside of the Trinity vs X game) are when the Cats come to play.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 7:55 pm to 3rddownonthe8
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3rddownonthe8
ACC's turn to decide 8 vs. 9; implications for non-conference games vs. SEC?
Do y'all think that the SEC, will eliminate divisions. If the NCAA, eliminated division requirement.
2 permanent & 6 rotating.
HELL NO!!! Without divisions, there's no true way to compare teams evenly. @ least with divisions, you have more common opponents to which to rank the teams by instead of trying to grasp @ POSSIBLE common opponents.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:00 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Damn Good Dawg
Because we are in a spending war with programs that are shelling out $5M for coaches, building 100,000+ stadiums, and blowing money on the recruiting trail. The Georgia football program spends less than a lot of program already and gives a sizable portion, maybe more than some (can't be sure), to the school itself. I know that's the case with all programs but outside of Georgia football no sport is self sustaining IIRC.
So why would Georgia purposefully set itself back to other programs? Why would we decide to bring less income to not only the football program but university and town itself? Why deprive the fans of home games? And ultimately why would Georgia do all of that so that they could schedule harder than just about the rest of the conference?
If you're running a university that just isn't a good decision from a financial stand point as well as a competitive stand point. When your fans are clamoring for more success as other rivals do well the worst thing you could do is further hamstring yourself by depriving yourself of home games, money, and so on.
I know we've acknowledged we're on opposites sides of this discussion....but you don't think that the INCREASE of a conference's members would warrant an INCREASE the # of conf. games?
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:05 pm to 3rddownonthe8
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3rddownonthe8
ACC's turn to decide 8 vs. 9; implications for non-conference games vs. SEC?
ACC, staying at 8 with an additional game against power 5 or ND
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I wonder why they're starting in 2017?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 8:45 pm to southernboisb
If you can't understand the reason why Georgia is better off this way then you are never gonna get it. Or an alter. My guess is alter.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 9:57 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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If you can't understand the reason why Georgia is better off this way then you are never gonna get it. Or an alter. My guess is alter.
I don't get why Georgia prioritizes two to three cupcake home games a year over all else. It's such short sighted thinking.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:00 pm to TeLeFaWx
It's been explained ad nauseum not to mention it's actually the opposite of "short sighted thinking"
Posted on 5/12/14 at 10:45 pm to GoldenFlakes
With ACC staying at 8 game slate it would be nice to have some kind of rotating schedule with the 8 non-rival teams in September. ND would be the 10 major for some of the ACC teams and we (SEC) could schedule the 1&done neutral site for the 10th game.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:30 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
I would rather do H&H's. Maybe over a 4 yr period play 2 schools that way. For family reasons, I would love to see LSU play at UVA, or please let me be there again in Blacksburg to LSU deliver the beat down this time.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:05 am to Damn Good Dawg
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It's been explained ad nauseum not to mention it's actually the opposite of "short sighted thinking"
It is short sighted thinking. It prioritizes short term financial desire to keep two to three patsies on the schedule to help the current budget. That's literally Georgia's overriding priority here. Short sighted as frick.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 12:16 am to 3rddownonthe8
quote:Interesting. I wonder if the ACC will catch as much flak from this as the SEC did from the rest of the country (mainly Pac and Big12 coaches, writers).
ACC, staying at 8 with an additional game against power 5 or ND
Posted on 5/13/14 at 1:00 am to CockRocket
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I wonder if the ACC will catch as much flak from this as the SEC did from the rest of the country
Not if, but what excuse they will use to explain why its different for the SEC.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:03 am to Tiger Live2
The "excuse" of only playing 8 conference games is the same for both Leagues: each conference has 4 members that play an intrastate rivalry game. Those teams want to maintain the rivalry game and have the freedom to schedule 3 OOC games.
In general, the other major conferences don't have to deal with this issue.
In general, the other major conferences don't have to deal with this issue.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:07 am to TeLeFaWx
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It is short sighted thinking. It prioritizes short term financial desire to keep two to three patsies on the schedule to help the current budget. That's literally Georgia's overriding priority here. Short sighted as frick.
It's not short-sighted. You just don't like it.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 8:45 am to dlc83
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In general, the other major conferences don't have to deal with this issue.
This is the key point!
In addition to the 4 yearly games
Florida vs Florida State
Georgia vs Georgia Tech
South Carolina vs Clemson
Kentucky vs Louisville
Many of the AC and SEC teams have strong "secondary" games.
ACC teams with 20+ games with SEC foes :
Clemson : 63 games vs Georgia and 49 games with Auburn,
Duke : 44 games vs South Carolina and 29 games vs Tennessee
Georgia Tech : as a former SEC they have long histories with most SEC schools
Miami : 55 games vs Florida
North Carolina : 30 games vs Georgia, 32 games with Tennessee, and 56 vs South Carolina
NC State : 57 games vs South Carolina
Virginia : 34 games vs South Carolina and 21 games vs Vanderbilt
Wake Forest : 56 games vs South Carolina
Virginia Tech : 20 games vs Kentucky and 20 games vs South Carolina
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:20 am to Cheese Grits
As has been mentioned, both conferences are talking about each team scheduling one team from the other conference each year. Would you prefer a permanent partner or have the teams rotate? The Ky, SC, Ga and Fla teams would likely prefer the permanent partner structure with the rest preferring a rotating schedule.
My hunch is that no SEC team would want to be permanently paired with Pitt, Syracuse or BC unless there was some recruiting advantage (unlikely) for the school. Otherwise, all the remaining schools in both conferences are in the greater southeast.
My hunch is that no SEC team would want to be permanently paired with Pitt, Syracuse or BC unless there was some recruiting advantage (unlikely) for the school. Otherwise, all the remaining schools in both conferences are in the greater southeast.
Posted on 5/13/14 at 9:26 am to dlc83
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My hunch is that no SEC team would want to be permanently paired with Pitt, Syracuse or BC unless there was some recruiting advantage (unlikely) for the school.
I tend to agree, especially if their is no other marketing angle like UK and SU playing each other with a basketball game added.
UK home football, Carrier Dome basketball in even year
UK in Carrier Dome football, Rupp basketball in odd year
Boston College could be some hockey + football type deal
Pitt, I got nothing.
Also, with ND playing 5 ACC games under contract, they should be in the mix for some kind of SEC rotation game.
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