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re: A Forgotten issue of Ole Miss vs the NCAA...
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:11 am to RT1941
Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:11 am to RT1941
No. Not when institutions do whatever they can do as soon as possible. Saunders was fired. Wiggins, girls hoops coach responsible for MOST of these violations was fired about six months after being hired. Never coached a game. Basketball self imposed huge penalties on itself. Track coach forced to resign. If anything, Ole Miss compliance showed people how it's supposed to be done.
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Posted on 2/1/16 at 11:13 am to MButterfly
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:28 pm to VivaZapata27
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No. Not when institutions do whatever they can do as soon as possible.
For your sake, I hope it works out as you think it will but once again, I've got to tell you that despite what you're saying making perfect sense, it isn't true in the world of NCAA infractions.
Here's a excerpt from a 2007 newspaper story:
The school's handling of the textbook situation to this point has been notably improved from situations in the recent past.
A quick, decisive internal investigation was called to examine every athlete to see who may have violated NCAA rules by receiving extra benefits. The president's office has been involved from the start. The media have been informed at each step.
Football coach Nick Saban uttered words Tuesday that reporters here have never heard him say: "You'll probably know about it as soon as I do." That line explains best who is calling the shots, and it is not anyone in the football program.
No, this is not your father's Alabama. Or even your older brother's.
Suspending five football players, including two offensive line starters (on the eve of the Tennessee game, of all weeks) proved that the university is now serious about rule enforcement.
Immediate action, doing what they can as soon as possible. Football's entire part was about $4,000 in textbooks that were bought for other students (no profit to the players) and they took 21 wins away in punishment.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 12:37 pm to VivaZapata27
quote:I really hope everything works out and no NCAA punishment is levied against OM.
No. Not when institutions do whatever they can do as soon as possible. Saunders was fired. Wiggins, girls hoops coach responsible for MOST of these violations was fired about six months after being hired. Never coached a game. Basketball self imposed huge penalties on itself. Track coach forced to resign. If anything, Ole Miss compliance showed people how it's supposed to be done.
But can also see where the NCAA would feel like if the institution had control of the policies, procedures and operations under their supervision then there wouldn't have been a need to investigate multiple sports resulting in almost 3 dozen allegations.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 1:18 pm to OBReb6
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and you likely are pretty poor.
LOL, from a Mississippi guy.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 1:35 pm to VivaZapata27
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If anything, Ole Miss compliance showed people how it's supposed to be done.
We'll see soon.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 1:36 pm to VivaZapata27
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. If anything, Ole Miss compliance showed people how it's supposed to be done.
You dont get a NOA, if you did it right
Posted on 2/1/16 at 1:46 pm to VivaZapata27
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No. Not when institutions do whatever they can do as soon as possible.
That's wrong. If that were the case, Universities could "hire" a lower level coach, give him his list... then fire him at the end of recruiting or 6 months later. Well paid, and job done. No issue for ANYBODY involved.
As with the ULL investigation, the NCAA stated that Saunders acted without the knowledge of... etc... YET they also stated that the University is still responsible.
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Saunders was fired.
ULL fired him too. Your point?
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If anything, Ole Miss compliance showed people how it's supposed to be done.
Not at all. You "think" they have. The results are not in.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 2:03 pm to MButterfly
Lack of institutional control. Classic case
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:02 pm to JustGetItRight
I know all about lack of institutional control. I started at Ole Miss in 1993 and that year we got one of the worst penalties since SMU because of it. I've never seen a sport hit hard because of other sports' issues though. Don't happen.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:03 pm to MButterfly
Was Friday's report a huge disappointment to you? Yes or no?
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:06 pm to NYCAuburn
Eh, definitely not the case. Vast majority of the infractions involve women's hoops clearly and I cannot imagine our administration could have done any more than they did.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:10 pm to RT1941
No one believe that NO punishment will be levied. But no one really believes that this current top ten class will ever miss the post season, for any reason. Or that Freeze will struggle to put together a top class with only 23 scholarships instead of 25. Saunders has probably cost us a few scholarships. Everyone knows that.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:11 pm to VivaZapata27
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Eh, definitely not the case
umm yes it is the case. Maybe you dont know how compliance works quote:It doesnt matter how many were in whatever sport
Vast majority of the infractions involve women's hoops clearly
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I cannot imagine our administration could have done any more than they did.
30 possible major infractions, they definitely could have nipped it in the bud well before that. You dont have that many across multiple sports unless you have some problems on the institutional level
Posted on 2/1/16 at 4:14 pm to NYCAuburn
So you believe that a gymnastics program could receive major penalties because a rouge equestrian coach racked up 25 rules violations? Seems like you have it all figured out. No school has ever had a sport punished for violations in another sport. Ever. So it does matter that most of the total allegations are in a different sport. It most definitely matters.
This post was edited on 2/1/16 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 2/1/16 at 6:01 pm to MButterfly
Bump -- I want the truth out there. I will fight to keep this thread alive for Butterfly.
Could we get this stickied?
Could we get this stickied?
Posted on 2/1/16 at 7:10 pm to VivaZapata27
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jor penalties because a rouge equestrian coach racked up 25 rules violations? Seems like you have it all figured out. No school has ever had a sport punished for violations in another sport. Ever. So it does matter that most of the total allegations are in a different sport. It most definitely matters.
Oh so now your analogy is that football has no violations? I was correct, you don't know how this works.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 7:13 pm to pankReb
quote:yeah, not much to fight here.
Keep fighting the good fight.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 7:15 pm to NYCAuburn
You have the logical thinking capabilities of a drunken slug.
Posted on 2/1/16 at 7:17 pm to pankReb
But you wrote nat rather than gnat.
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