re: 2012-Present Hugh Freeze or 1999-2003 Tommy Tuberville?

Tubs, not close.

More data:
Wins against ranked opponents first 4 years of coaching tenure
OM
2012
#25 MSU 41-24

2013
#6 LSU 27-24

2014
#3 Alabama 23-17
@ #14 Texas A&M 35-20 (largest attendance in Texas State history)
#4 MSU 31-17

2015
@#2 Alabama 43-37
@#15 Texas A&M 23-3
#15 LSU 38-17
@#21 MSU 38-27
#16 Sugar Bowl Oklahoma St. 48-20

Auburn
1999
@#14 UGA 38-21

2000
@#19 Ole Miss 35-27
#14 UGA 29-26

2001
@#19 UGA 24-17

2002
#10 LSU 31-7
@#9 Alabama 17-7
#10 Penn State Cap 1 Bowl 13-9

You are such a dumb homer

2008-2013 Les Miles vs 1999-2004 Tommy Tuberville would be a better comparison. Outside of 2004, Tuberville's offenses at Auburn were unwatchable.

Tub's was a damn fine SEC coach. He is very underrated, IMO. Freeze looks like he has Ole Miss on the rise, but I wouldn't put him in Tub's category just yet.

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2012-Present Hugh Freeze or 1999-2003 Tommy Tuberville?

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Tuberville inherited an AU team that had gone 3-8 the season before and built up a solid batch of teams, going the steady, methodical route.

Hugh took over a 2-10 team, won 7 his first season, and steadily improved the win total.

Tuberville, however, was never under major investigation at AU. Honestly? His was post some fairly significant issues, and dealt with one of the worst BoTs around. AU's leadership was notorious for undermining the HC. I'm not 100% sold that the culture has changed.

Hugh IS under a major investigation that does not bode well. If found guilty, it will call into question every accomplishment he's made.

You cannot draw a comparison between the two without noting the fact that Hugh has run afoul of the NCAA while Tommy did not. Tuberville is widely respected, even by rival fans who, I must be honest, OWNED us during his tenure. Aside from the whole "thumb" thing, he was still classy and no one ever felt or believed he cheated. The NCAA must not have either. Yeah, some kids claimed pay-for-play later, but they seemed more disgruntled than having a legitimate claim to wrongdoings.

Hugh already is considered a cheater in the national perception... it is likely a reputation that even an investigation is unlikely to clear him of. His legacy will always have an * next to it.

So, the clear winner is Tuberville. His victories came in spite of a BoT trying to undermine him, and without black marks of his star player basically claiming he was paid to be there.

I'm sorry, but you can't JUST compare their records. You have to examine how they got those records - and OM certainly appears like they may not have nearly as many wins as AU does over the same time frame.

Pinebox

His only mistake was getting rid of Mazzone for Harley fan.

great question, actually. I'll go with Tommy.

First, Tubs took over Ole Miss when they were dealing with probation (and, oddly enough, Hugh may lead that team to probation). He made them respectable given the circumstances he dealt with. Then, Tubs went to an AU program that Terry Bowden almost ran into the ground. Bowden let the discipline fall considerably and was more worried about chasing tail than doing his job. Tommy made AU a really strong team in short order.

Hugh took over a solid Arky State team and then went to Ole Miss and benefited from a couple of decent recruiting classes (up to you to determine how). He's still not won 10 games in regular season yet.

Nothing you said has been proven and none of it is fact jack. B.S.