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Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:43 am to KennesawTiger
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:43 am to KennesawTiger
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#triggered
For real.
People are making good points in this thread, then this clown shows up and lowers the IQ level.
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Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:43 am to Jacknola
LOL, you think LSU fans are the only ones who believe Bama has an advantage in the conference?
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:44 am to adamb2151
They earned that advantage through hard work and smart hires.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:46 am to adamb2151
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you think LSU fans are the only ones who believe Bama has an advantage in the conference?
The main ones who feel that way, yes. List the advantages.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:49 am to Oklahomey
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Louisiana State
You done went and did it now, they don't like it when you call them names.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 12:15 pm to bamasgot13
LINK
Just a quick SECR search and I found a thread with Ole Miss, UT, UF, Arky, TAMU and LSU posters inferring Bama gets help. Not just LSU fans but we do probably reference it the most. The people who honestly dont think the SEC is corrupt and SEC football is pure and not money driven are the same fans who dont believe their school would ever cheat in recruiting.
Just a quick SECR search and I found a thread with Ole Miss, UT, UF, Arky, TAMU and LSU posters inferring Bama gets help. Not just LSU fans but we do probably reference it the most. The people who honestly dont think the SEC is corrupt and SEC football is pure and not money driven are the same fans who dont believe their school would ever cheat in recruiting.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 12:50 pm to bamasgot13
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Every other game was a multi-score victory, so I'm not sure how "more calls than normal" mattered. It's not like it made a difference in any game.
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He caught that ball. No doubt. That said, you were still losing by 6 at the time and no guarantee you would have gone down and gotten a TD (not like your O was just lighting it up that day. You were held to 250 yards and were outgained by Bama by about 200 yards).
Holy shite, this is some neanderthal-esque logic.
You were losing by only 6 so clearly a change in possession in your favor couldn't have possibly made a difference and changed the game's outcome.
Only Bama fans
Posted on 8/2/16 at 12:54 pm to sonuvapitcher
which is why the 2009 and 2012 SEC Championship games were, two of the best in terms of football. The SEC didn't need to interject anything, whoever won was going to play for it all.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:08 pm to gallagherkck
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Holy shite, this is some neanderthal-esque logic.
You were losing by only 6 so clearly a change in possession in your favor couldn't have possibly made a difference and changed the game's outcome.
Agreed. Saying a turnover in a one possession game wouldn't have made a difference is dumb. I was at that game, and it was TIGHT until we kicked the field goal on the drive that should have been an INT by PP7.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:09 pm to gallagherkck
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Holy shite, this is some neanderthal-esque logic.
You were losing by only 6 so clearly a change in possession in your favor couldn't have possibly made a difference and changed the game's outcome.
Only Bama fans
Your O had a total of about 250 yards all game. You had limited success on O all day. It was not likely that your O, which has been borderline paraplegic at times against Bama, was going to magically get it pulled together on that one last chance in a game filled - like most others you've played against Bama - with offensive ineptness by your Tigers.
But keep clinging to those conspiracy theories and moral victories. That's about all youve got lately. That and hope that "this is the year", even though most not connected to LSU (including Jimbo) don't agree.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:09 pm to gallagherkck
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Holy shite, this is some neanderthal-esque logic.
well LSU is an authority on that subject.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 1:33 pm to bamasgot13
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Your O had a total of about 250 yards all game. You had limited success on O all day. It was not likely that your O, which has been borderline paraplegic at times against Bama, was going to magically get it pulled together on that one last chance in a game filled
-There was a chance to win down 6 at the 30 with 6 minutes left.
-We intercepted a pass, ball was given back to Bama
- Bama kicks FG, LSU down 9 under 5 min left, 0% chance to win.
How likely was your late score against LSU in 2012? your offense was garbage all game. How likely was your last minute drive in 14? your offense was garbage all game (how about that bs personal foul at the 1 btw so LSU had to kick a FG...)
The point is let it be decided on the field. When you don't allow it to be decided on the field it's home cooking, simple as that.
It was an interception, everyone in the country knew, every one but the SEC employee working the replay booth. the SEC office happened to be down the street in Birmingham, and that team from Tuscaloosa had their sights set on their first NC in 17 years. seemed like up 6 with 6min left and LSU having the ball wasn't desired at that point in the game even though it's completely obvious that's what should have happened
If the SEC office and all its employees/refs lived/work in a pro LSU town (Nola) for decades you don't think there might be a bias towards a great LSU team w national title hopes after a long drought?
What if the office was based in Batesville MS for years? Ole miss seasons might get few nudges in the right direction?
After the 2011 LSU threat the SEC office took Georgia off your schedule in 12 so Bama could "welcome" Mizzou to the league...
While LSU played UF and a good USCe.
LSU split those games while you walked over UT/Mizzou.
What do you know, the top 3 in the west all go 1-1 against each other and likewise in the east. You know who played for the SECC? The only team on each side to not play a top 3 team from the other... Bama and UGA. the matchup that was conveniently erased from the regular season schedule.
At the least you should have beaten UGA and faced a USCe team that beat them 35-3, or lost to UGA if they earned their berth and you would have been in a 3 way tie with LSU and A&M in the west (who both had a loss to a top 3 east team).
But no, Bama wins again. You don't look at the disadvantages your competition was dealt by the office 60 miles from your campus, it's forgotten over time. You claim the entire rest of the conference is whining and "conspiracy theorists" any time it's brought up
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 2:29 pm to Lordofwrath88
Were Florida and Bama the best teams? Absolutely. Doesnt always mean you deserve to be there at the end. The best teams dont always win. Unless the SEC wills it so anyways.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 2:33 pm to Lsuchs
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Lsuchs
bro. I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this all day b/c our respective fanhood is going to blind us somewhat to the other side of the argument. That said, I'll respond to some of your comments:
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-There was a chance to win down 6 at the 30 with 6 minutes left.
yes. A small one, but a chance. It's not like you kicked and made a FG to win and it was called no good. You would have had to go 70 yards on one drive in order to take the lead AND then you would have had to prevent Bama from getting a FG to win. That's assuming a lot on your part.
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How likely was your late score against LSU in 2012?
according to LSU fans, it was highly likely b/c of "Third and Chavis" being in prevent. If that's the case, the predictability of your coaches led to that defeat.
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How likely was your last minute drive in 14? your offense was garbage all game (how about that bs personal foul at the 1 btw so LSU had to kick a FG...)
That "BS" personal foul call moved you from the 8 to the 23. Everyone knew you were going to run, run, run, and then kick if needed. That's exactly what you did from the 23. You'd have done the same from the 8. Also, Bama got ball to the ONE yard line in OT and a "BS" personal foul call moved them back to the 15. They still scored. They didn't let one penalty change the outcome of the game. They OVERCAME the penalty.
As for the late FG in '14 to tie, your kicker putting it OOB had zero to do with a favorable call. Also, according to LSU fans, "third and Chavis" struck again and all bama had to do was get in FG range. Your kicker going OOB made sure that Bama only needed to go about 40 yards to get into FG range. A given? Nope. But not nearly as daunting as going 70 yards for a TD would have been (like in 2009 for LSU).
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The point is let it be decided on the field
Agree. I think it has been and Bama has proven to be the better squad in 7 of the last 9 matchups. That's not luck. Luck is a game here or there. Not 5 in a row.
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the SEC office happened to be down the street in Birmingham, and that team from Tuscaloosa had their sights set on their first NC in 17 years.
but still would have had to beat MSU, AU, Florida, and whoever was in the BCSNCG in order to get it. You act like officials knew "if I make this call it puts Bama in the title game". That's just ridiculous.
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If the SEC office and all its employees/refs lived/work in a pro LSU town (Nola) for decades you don't think there might be a bias towards a great LSU team w national title hopes after a long drought?
What if the office was based in Batesville MS for years? Ole miss seasons might get few nudges in the right direction?
maybe with scheduling (which Bama has had toughest schedule in the conference for 2 straight years and has had more opponents coming off byes than anyone else in conference since 2008, so scheduling argument is getting old), but NOT with on field officiating. You are implying something that couldn't be kept secret in 2016. It just isn't happening.
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After the 2011 LSU threat the SEC office took Georgia off your schedule in 12 so Bama could "welcome" Mizzou to the league...
still played UGA ultimately. Besides, Missouri was coming off 8-5 season, so it isn't like they replaced UGA with Vandy.
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While LSU played UF and a good USCe.
UF is your permanent. We can't help that. UT is Bama's permanent. As for how UF was in 2012, not great. And Bama had defeated UF in 2009, 2010, and 2011. It's not like we were scared to play them in 2012.
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You don't look at the disadvantages your competition was dealt by the office 60 miles from your campus, it's forgotten over time.
What about Bama playing more teams coming off bye weeks than any other school in the SEC since 2008? What about the year we had SIX SEC opponents coming off bye weeks? Did you complain when UGA was on Bama's schedule last year? Did you complain on the personal foul call in OT in '14 that moved Bama from the 1 yard line to the 15? You are seeing it selectively.
Bama has had good fortune, but not strategically placed by the SEC like you'd like to believe. SEC didn't make Ok St lose to freaking Iowa State. SEC didn't make Ole Miss give up a 4th and 25. SEC didn't make any of that happen any more than they made Missouri and WVU lose in the last week of the season in 2007 to benefit LSU.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 2:58 pm to Oklahomey
It was basically just a CCG upset. Tennessee was the best team and probably should have played for the title (I mean come on, Nebraska got killed).
Posted on 8/2/16 at 3:05 pm to bamasgot13
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bro. I'm not going to go back and forth with you on this all day b/c our respective fanhood is going to blind us somewhat to the other side of the argument
I agree. So Alabama wasn't bailed out of a potential tight spot in 09 with no explanation whatsoever?
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That's assuming a lot on your part.
Having a better "chance" to win down one score with the ball instead of two scores is assuming a lot?
Didn't you score on a late drive that against Tennessee this past season after only mustering 13 pts all game? If you were robbed of that chance we could just say "probably wouldn't have scored?"
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Agree
You do realize it was decided off the field (incorrectly) that LSU would not be given the opportunity to win right?
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still played UGA ultimately
Obviously, in the SECCG. Top 3 teams in each division that year were a tossup, so was that game. you avoided that tossup in the meat of your schedule. You split A&M/LSU that's it, that was your season. LSU Split A&M/Bama AND UF/USCe. taking UGA off the schedule didn't give you and UGA the advantage over everyone else? It's literally the reason that matchup happened in the SECCG.
That matchup was 100% signed sealed and delivered in the SEC office prior to the season: Bama/LSU/A&M and UGA/UF/USCe all went 5-1 in their division! Only 2 that avoided the opposite big 3 were Bama and UGA. That game was scheduled for 2012... I'm sure USCe wouldn't have minded avoiding LSU, or A&M avoiding UF. Who did the SEC office hook up though?
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As for how UF was in 2012, not great.
They beat A&M/LSU unlike you... Then split UGA/USCe. They were pretty good.
Did your one loss 08 team suck bc you were unmotivated and upset by Utah in the sugar bowl?
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Bama has had good fortune, but not strategically placed by the SEC like you'd like to believe
Bama has good fortune, but not always completely random like you'd like to believe.
There is always things that can spoil a season, the more of those things you eliminate the better your chances are of having a special season:
-LSU getting ball down 2 scores instead of 1 in 09 (can't lose even if we score a TD)
-Playing only two (going 1-1) of the 6 SEC contenders in 2012 instead of three. (Can't lose if you don't play)
These are just examples we were arguing, I hear Arkansas has some beef w the 09 game as well. Probably others too
Neither of us will change stances, but why would we. Agree to disagree
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:18 pm to Lsuchs
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So Alabama wasn't bailed out of a potential tight spot in 09 with no explanation whatsoever?
benefited from a bad call? sure. "bailed out"? no. The PP7 pick was on 2nd & 7. It went as "incomplete". You stop Bama on 3rd & 7 on the next play and you get ball back with 5+ minutes to go and down by 6. You could have made a play after that. Bama converted a 3rd and 7. That's making a play. They didn't benefit from defensive PI to convert. They made a play. Benefited from the no call? Yes. Bailed out? Not in my mind b/c you still had opportunities but didn't make plays.
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You do realize it was decided off the field (incorrectly) that LSU would not be given the opportunity to win right?
No. I realize that it was decided off the field (incorrectly) that LSU didn't get the interception. Again, that made it 3rd & 7 down 6 with 5:54 left in the game. It didn't decide the game. LSU still had an opportunity to win. They needed to get a stop on 3rd down and then they would have had their opportunity. I understand you feel the stop was made on 2nd down, but you still had opportunity on 3rd down. That's all I'm saying. (like Bama moving from the 1 to the 16 after a personal foul penalty in OT in '14. It didn't prevent Bama from having a chance to score a TD. It just made it harder...they still scored a TD though.)
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I'm sure USCe wouldn't have minded avoiding LSU, or A&M avoiding UF.
I'm sure they would have preferred playing Missouri instead of LSU, but I think the conference - likely in conjunction with their TV partners - chose for the two new teams to play against perennial powers (and strong TV draws) in their first year in conference.
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They were pretty good.
You say UF was "pretty good" in 2012 and then post a screenshot of their schedule that shows:
1) a 7 point win against Missouri (who you say Bama benefited from playing, yet Florida struggled with them)
2) a 7 point win against Louisiana Lafayette that needed a blocked punt for TD with TWO SECONDS LEFT to avoid OT
3) a 13 point win against Bowling Green that was a 3 point game going into 4th qtr
Florida was an alright team that year, but not as good as their record implied.
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Did your one loss 08 team suck bc you were unmotivated and upset by Utah in the sugar bowl?
huh? not sure the connection here, but to say that team didn't play uninspired is inaccurate. They lost a starting LT before the game, and played in a "consolation bowl" after being 10 minutes away from playing for a title when they were leading Florida by 3 in the 4th qtr of SECCG.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:25 pm to bamasgot13
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benefited from a bad call? sure
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No. I realize that it was decided off the field (incorrectly) that LSU didn't get the interception
The call on the field was a bad call...
This was an official review, with plenty of angles. There was more of an argument for having 3 feet in bounds than 0
Did that not cost us a chance to win? We should have had the ball down one score, did we get the ball down one score?
We did stop you, yes we could have done it twice but we didn't.
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Florida was an alright team that year, but not as good as their record implied
They beat LSU and A&M, Alabama didn't do that. Anything can happen in those big games, unless they are removed from the schedule.
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not sure the connection here
Both were 1 loss SEC teams in the sugar bowl upset convincingly by non power 5 programs.
Thought you might have been basing UFs season off that loss
I don't see how you can say UF wasn't good that year though. going 11-1 and 4-1 vs top 10 caliber teams (Bama was 1-1), while also defeating the team you lost to.
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:31 pm to Lsuchs
Posted on 8/2/16 at 4:34 pm to Barneyrb
Was that play reviewed?
And I wouldn't be surprised if there were times LSU received a nudge here and there against Arkansas while LSU was more relevant for the conference nationally. I don't agree with it but I understand.
Bama fans just like to be happy go lucky and completely ignore/deny any bias/agenda
What happened in yalls game with them in 09?
And I wouldn't be surprised if there were times LSU received a nudge here and there against Arkansas while LSU was more relevant for the conference nationally. I don't agree with it but I understand.
Bama fans just like to be happy go lucky and completely ignore/deny any bias/agenda
What happened in yalls game with them in 09?
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 4:46 pm
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