re: 18 years of fraud at Chapel Hill...

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Plus, they've uncovered recently that a lot of this stuff extends to other departments throughout the school.

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Really?

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How is that "next to nothing?"

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because it is, it only would take one or two good recruiting classes for them to recover.

Here's the basic message you are then sending:

"Might as well go ahead and cheat like hell, you can win championships by doing so, and the consequences of being caught are only a couple of years off".

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That's a tired stereotype of college athletics that isn't true for all schools.

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VERY few schools have athelete admission standards higher than the NCAA minimum. That means most schools are taking under-qualified athletes (compared to their normal student population), which also means this particular "stereotype" is probably pretty accurate.

Also many schools have majors that are basically made for athletes, whether that is some sort of general degree on some sort of specialized "sports management" scam. So instead of deploying an army of tutors they funnel these kids into degree programs with little real-world value and which deliver a fraction of a normal college education. Where is the indignation over that?

You might be right that none of this is right, but this is an asylum that the inmates literally run. The NCAA is already a very weak organization- if they couldn't bust Miami they can't hammer UNC. They don't have the political support to do so. The list of programs "doing it right" now looks more like exceptions than guideposts, and all those exceptions always eventually hit a ceiling (hello Stanford). At the highest levels you can't afford NOT to cheat, because your competitor probably is and every advantage counts.

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See, I see it as perpetuating what has become a farce and, by taking a hard line on it now, it helps to curb that image for the future. Allowing shite like this to happen on top of refusing to pay athletes on top of paying coaches $1 million and up is killing the sport.

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The amatuar nature of college football is already dead, and its not something that died within the last couple of years. It died when Notre Dame got that first huge NBC deal and ever since then we have been waiting for the corpse to rot. The idea of stopping academic cheating in college football, or even outright bagmen, is quant. At this point that is minor league stuff, the real players have a legal team (A&M), or a police department (FSU), defending them like a country's military can sometimes end up being the bodyguard service for a dictator.

When you Georgia fans enter the post-Richt era yall are going to be shocked at how dirty it all is. Basketball is even worse.

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Without UNC, UVA, and Duke's desire for the ACC to stay together, the conference is incredibly unstable. Take out one of those and it becomes even more so.

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Conversely, think if they try to keep it. The money and influence of those schools could probably do some damage to a lot of big time schools, especially if they start going the "oh, you are going to punish us?" way. A lot of athletic departments are doing things that will result in NCAA infractions (though by no means would I say to the level of UNC). Putting pressure on the NCAA to be consistent could mean a lot of other consequences. And don't act like none of our schools do some shady stuff to keep our athletes eligible. Even Stanford does it, and got caught (with no punishment).

You start talking death penalty, watch a lot of things happen.

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they aren't as on edge as one would believe, certainly not with FSU and Duke still carrying the banner.

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... and that's where you're wrong. The three power players in the ACC are UNC, UVA, and Duke. That's where the money and influence is. Take away one, and the draw for the other two to hold it together is impacted significantly.

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Without UNC, UVA, and Duke's desire for the ACC to stay together, the conference is incredibly unstable. Take out one of those and it becomes even more so.

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UNC having a single year death penalty would NOT kill the ACC or those schools desire to stay.

Again, SMU is an incredibly poor example to use for various reasons.

Chiz is a perfect fit

Any time you mention Penn State it better be bad. This isn't the same universe as Penn State...as bad as it might be.

ok great, that isnt what we were talking about with eachother