re: Nick Saban: "Jonathan Taylor did everything we asked him to do"

If Saban would have googled "what percentage of domestic violence offenders are repeat offenders" he'd have found this on the very top of google.

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Reabuse has found to be substantially higher in longer term studies. A Massachusetts study tracked 350 male abusers arrested for abusing their female intimate partners over a decade, 1995 to 2005. The study found that 60 percent were rearrested for a new domestic assault or had a protective order taken out against them, even though some went three to four years between arrests.

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you take that knowledge, you weigh the pros and cons (not many cons for a successful SEC coach) and you decide if it's worth it. If it works out, good. But stats show that it won't work out more times than it will.

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It's not up to a football coach to change people. He's not educated to do that. There are literally thousands of people who have doctorates who are tasked with that responsibility. Football coaches should coach football, an make sure the players they bring in represent the school in an upstanding way.

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I disagree. There are medical professionals on the staffs at major football programs for this reason. Guest speakers during camp serve in the same campacity. And furthermore, sports (and the coaches by association) have a profound effect on young people.

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This was about winning and masked with "second chances". It's an issue at every major program. Successful coaches sacrifice morals for wins because they don't answer to anyone.

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I can agree with that.

But I will say you can never fully know about these kids, even trough the most ardent vetting process. Alabama has seen troubled kids turn out wonderfully, as well as kids with impeccable credentials end up in bad situations.

I agree that sports are for bettering young people. But high level SEC football doesn't make that a priority IMO. They try, but there are other things a coach has to focus on. You can only change a 20 year old so much.

I'm heading back to work. So I'll check back later. But again, I am by no means shitting on Saban or Alabama specifically. This is a recent example that LSU, auburn, OM etc have had trouble with too.

Hell, I think a coaches pay or job security should coincide with how many arrests he has each year. It gives them a reason to make sure they get high character players which will also lead to the NFL having higher character players.

But I'm also kinda liberal and want world peace and blah blah blah.

Tiffany Carr, interim director of the Alabama Coalition Against Domestic Violence, praised Saban for taking swift action in removing Taylor for the team but said it's not typically a crime committed only once.

"Domestic violence is a learned behavior, it's a cycle of violence and control," Carr said. "In 21 years, I've never known it to happen just one time."

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I'm pretty sure that backs his link up.

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She's saying it never happens just once.

His link says it happens just once nearly half the time.

Take it up with the Alabama director. She said it not me.

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Take it up with the Alabama director. She said it not me.

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I would, if she was posting in this thread. You quoted her.

She either greatly embellished that, or was being flat out dishonest.

Do yourself a favor and skim the article. It addresses some of those differences.

here's another piece that sums up how these numbers, including the 60% number, are likely skewed.

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Where studies have found substantially lower rearrest rates for abuse, it appears the lower rate is a result of police behavior, not abuser behavior. In these jurisdictions, victims report equivalent reabuse, notwithstanding low rearrest rates. For example, studies of more than 1,000 female victims in Florida, New York City and Los Angeles found that, whereas only 4 to 6 percent of their abusers were arrested for reabuse within one year, 31 percent of the victims reported being physically abused during the following year (one-half of those reporting being burned, strangled, beaten up or seriously injured) and 16 percent reported being stalked or threatened. [61, 190] Similarly, in a Bronx domestic court study, whereas only 14 to 15 percent of defendants convicted of domestic violence misdemeanors or violations were rearrested after one year, victims reported reabuse rates of 48 percent during that year.

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Basically, I misquoted earlier by saying something along the lines of "it happens again 60% of the time" whereas in actuality, they are rearrested 60% of the time, in longer term studies.