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re: What do you guys think about Tim Tebow?
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:52 pm to gatorbait_007
Posted on 11/10/14 at 3:52 pm to gatorbait_007
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Accurate in college yes in an Urban Meyers offense with elite talent on offense. In the NFL he had a 47.9% completion percentage I wouldnt go out saying he was accurate.
Dude, the Broncos were frickin' awful that year on offense. Even good QBs can't do much without help.
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I think the way the media covered him is the sole reason he is not in the NFL.
I also agree with this. But, I still think he could have played QB. He's not a Brees, Manning or Brady, but I'd pick him over a lot of other QBs because he simply figures out ways to win.
How many comebacks did he have?
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Posted on 11/10/14 at 6:49 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Dude, the Broncos were frickin' awful that year on offense. Even good QBs can't do much without help.
They had Thomas, Decker, Lloyd (1448yds 11TD's year before), Royal, Mcgahee, Moreno. They had some talent on that team. Tebow's last game of the regular season he went 6-22 for 60yds and 1 int.He completed 46.5% of his passes on the season which was 4% less than Blaine Gabbert and 2% less than Jamarcus Russel's worst year.Plus the worst percentage since 2002 at least(that's as far as it would go back). That is bad I don't care who you have on offense.
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How many comebacks did he have?
Chicago-OT win Chicago fumbles Denver kicks FG Wins.
Minnesota- Interception <1min to go get ball on Minn 20 kick FG Wins.
San Deigo- OT three defensive stops. SD misses FG. Denver makes FG wins.
KC- 2/8 69yds 1TD 43 yds 1TD. Defense holds KC to 10 pts.
Miami- OT two defensive stops. Miami fumbles. FG and Win.
I agree he had comebacks but lets not forget the defense making plays in 90% of those comebacks at the end of the game and Prater making FG's. I think with more time and a chance to play on a team that didn't want him just to be a gimmick he would've made it. If McDaniel never left Denver I think he makes it. Fox didn't want him he played him for the fans. The Steelers game in the playoffs is the game that makes me think he can make it if given an opportunity. I am a huge Tebow fan but I'm not gonna let me being a Gator fan blind me of what actually happened on the field in the NFL.
This post was edited on 11/10/14 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 11/10/14 at 7:27 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What do you guys think about Tim Tebow?
One of the GOAT gators, but even when things didn't work in the nfl, he's still a fantastic person.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 8:19 pm to SpartyGator
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One of the GOAT gators, but even when things didn't work in the nfl, he's still a fantastic person.
I totally agree. I'm an Atheist but I love what he's done for Florida and even in the NFL. He was always a class act, even when people didn't treat him right.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 10:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
quote:this is the type of question a non-Gator would ask.
What do you guys think about Tim Tebow?
Just sayin.....
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:19 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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this is the type of question a non-Gator would ask.
Just sayin.....
Read the initial post, find the connection of defending perceived bad quarterbacks and chortle.
Seriously the dots weren't hard to connect at all.
Posted on 11/10/14 at 11:31 pm to gatorbait_007
You left out the Houston Texans his first year.
Tebow's first career victory came in his second start on December 26. The Broncos defeated the Houston Texans, 24–23, in Denver. Tebow helped rally the Broncos from a 17–0 deficit at halftime, as he finished the game with 308 passing yards and one touchdown pass. He also added a fourth quarter rushing touchdown, which capped the comeback.
Guess the defense was the reason they won that one, right?
The following Sunday, Tebow once again guided a comeback victory, this time at home over the Chicago Bears. Denver won 13–10 in overtime after facing a 10–0 deficit with just over two minutes to play in regulation.
Getting them back in the game was Tebow.
Tebow led the Broncos to their third consecutive come-from-behind win of the season, as Denver beat the Minnesota Vikings on the road, 35–32.
Yeah, the defense wasn't the reason they won a game where both teams were in the 30's.
His second completion, a 56-yard touchdown pass in the fourth quarter to wide receiver Eric Decker, sealed the game for Denver.
Sometimes it's all you need.
Tebow and the Broncos struggled in the first three-and-a-half quarters against the Dolphins, but rallied from a 15–0 deficit in the last three minutes to win the game 18–15 in overtime.
So anyway, Tebow had a direct hand in winning 90% of those games.
In fact, you could argue it's the only reason they won.
Tebow's first career victory came in his second start on December 26. The Broncos defeated the Houston Texans, 24–23, in Denver. Tebow helped rally the Broncos from a 17–0 deficit at halftime, as he finished the game with 308 passing yards and one touchdown pass. He also added a fourth quarter rushing touchdown, which capped the comeback.
Guess the defense was the reason they won that one, right?
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Chicago-OT win Chicago fumbles Denver kicks FG Wins.
The following Sunday, Tebow once again guided a comeback victory, this time at home over the Chicago Bears. Denver won 13–10 in overtime after facing a 10–0 deficit with just over two minutes to play in regulation.
Getting them back in the game was Tebow.
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Minnesota- Interception <1min to go get ball on Minn 20 kick FG Wins.
Tebow led the Broncos to their third consecutive come-from-behind win of the season, as Denver beat the Minnesota Vikings on the road, 35–32.
Yeah, the defense wasn't the reason they won a game where both teams were in the 30's.
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KC- 2/8 69yds 1TD 43 yds 1TD. Defense holds KC to 10 pts.
His second completion, a 56-yard touchdown pass in the fourth quarter to wide receiver Eric Decker, sealed the game for Denver.
Sometimes it's all you need.
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Miami- OT two defensive stops. Miami fumbles. FG and Win.
Tebow and the Broncos struggled in the first three-and-a-half quarters against the Dolphins, but rallied from a 15–0 deficit in the last three minutes to win the game 18–15 in overtime.
So anyway, Tebow had a direct hand in winning 90% of those games.
In fact, you could argue it's the only reason they won.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:56 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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So anyway, Tebow had a direct hand in winning 90% of those games.
Unfortunately its a team game and the Defense made key stops and Prater made long FG's to win the majority of the games. You can talk about the comebacks all you want but you can't hide the fact that he wasnt ready and he was limited on what he could do. Given time in the right system I think he could've been pretty good. Why dont you address his completion percentage you cant use a dropped balls argument.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:24 am to gatorbait_007
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Why dont you address his completion percentage you cant use a dropped balls argument.
I think it's pointless to address unless we admit that the Bronco's offense really hadn't been productive as a whole to begin with.
Ask a rookie to take over a team that was 1 - 4 and with the defense take them to the playoffs -- that's asking a lot.
He had the most rushing touchdowns, he had the most passing touchdowns and he bolstered the running game.
Completion % is going to suffer when the offense in general is just not that great.
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you cant use a dropped balls argument.
Wait, is it a team game or not? Because when it's convenient you shovel the blame on Driskel it sure doesn't seem like it.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 1:31 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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I think it's pointless to address unless we admit that the Bronco's offense really hadn't been productive as a whole to begin with.
Orton as QB 21.0ppg in 1st 5 games Tebow at QB 18.2ppg last 11 games.
1st game lost by 3, 2nd win by 2, 3rd lose by 3, 4th blowout to packers, 5th lose by 5. In 4 of the first 5 games McGahee was the leading rusher in the game between both teams and was in the top 5 in the league for rushing yds he finished 8th overall at the end of the year. So dont act like their offense made a huge improvement.
First it wasnt his rookie year that they went to the playoffs. The Texans team he beat in 2010 was 6-10 and had the worst D in the league. Also, I would hope he had the most passing TD's as the startig QB, Orton only had 4 less in 6 fewer games. As far as the running game they had to run the ball because HE COULDNT PASS IT. McGahee had 1200yds rushing. Tebow ran the ball 122 times as a QB if you have to use rushing TD's as a reason to explain why someone is a good QB and cant use his passing stats that's speaks volumes about the guy as a passer. Watch the tape. Good he had a couple good games as a passer so did Geno Smith but you don't get a 46.5 completion percentage by being a good passer. The majority of the games he was awful as a passer thats a fact. I am sorry but he had recievers and he had the worst completion percentage in the last 12 years of the NFL at a minimum. Do you think Blaine Gabbert is good? What about Jamarcus Russel most would say no because they couldn't pass and they didn't transition to the NFL. Somehow with worse recievers and a worse offense overall every QB the Jags and Raiders have had since 2002 finished the season with higher completion percentage and more.
As far as using or not using dropped balls his balls werent catchable at all thats why I said that, not because his recievers just missed them (like you say is the cause of every Driskel incompletion) his throws missed the receivers.
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Wait, is it a team game or not? Because when it's convenient you shovel the blame on Driskel it sure doesn't seem like it.
And here you go back on Driskel. I have said many times yes the team dropped balls but he has alot to do with the losses as well and for some reason you are the only one who is on the stop picking on Driskel train. Yes it is a team game but the team cant win when one person is giving the game away with turnovers and missed passes. Lets keep Muschamp he's not the one playing right. Same logic his shortcomings as a coach affect the whole team. Remember in football to win you need the whole team to be on the same page. But one guy can lose the hell out of a game for you ask Auburns center. He was not a good QB right now period end of discussion. His play on the field proved it. Did you see his only pass in the Vandy game by chance it was laughable. Harris seemed to pass just fine agianst them. I will no longer discuss Driskel with you.
Denver barely made the playoffs because they lost their last 3 games of the regular season and if the raiders would've beaten the chargers the last week of the season they would've went to the playoffs. 3 teams in the AFC west were 8-8 at the end of the year the Broncos had the tie breaker the division sucked out loud. I'm not saying he is terrible, I am saying that he wasnt ready, 90% of those 4th quarter comebacks were due to the defense keeping them in the game for 3qtrs and then making stops and getting turnovers late. Yes Tebow made plays that contributed to them winning but if a QB throws for 40yds on the last drive and a kicker kicks a 50yd FG to win the game 13-10 who is the reason they won the game. I would say the defense for giving up 10 points and the kicker for making a 50yd FG. They played him because the fans wanted him. Fox didnt want him. Elway didnt want him. With time and the right coach he would've been good in my opinion so settle down it seems you cant have any criticism about a Florida QB with you.
Gator Great. Great College QB.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 4:26 pm to gatorbait_007
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First it wasnt his rookie year that they went to the playoffs.
You're right on this -- I thought he didn't complete his first year for some reason.
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Watch the tape. Good he had a couple good games as a passer so did Geno Smith but you don't get a 46.5 completion percentage by being a good passer.
It's kind of pointless to argue with a guy who won't admit that a QB winning with his legs and his arm in different games isn't a sign of being a good QB.
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As far as using or not using dropped balls his balls werent catchable at all thats why I said that, not because his recievers just missed them (like you say is the cause of every Driskel incompletion) his throws missed the receivers.
We'll just pretend like it wasn't a not so subtle barb.
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you are the only one who is on the stop picking on Driskel train.
Fairly irrelevant, being in the minority is a worthless claim.
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Yes it is a team game but the team cant win when one person is giving the game away with turnovers and missed passes.
30~ dropped balls probably hurt more than those that are thrown away to avoid sacks. Especially on third and long. I'm pretty sure catching a ball that hits you in the chest while your quarterback is getting drilled would boost morale quite a bit.
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Lets keep Muschamp he's not the one playing right.
That's pretty stupid considering Muschamp has fundamental flaws in philosophy -- like playing the wrong players in the wrong offense. Misusing the pieces of your team =/= having a player botch a perfectly thrown ball 3+ times a game or more.
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His play on the field proved it. Did you see his only pass in the Vandy game by chance it was laughable. Harris seemed to pass just fine agianst them. I will no longer discuss Driskel with you.
So one pass dictates everything? He threw it at the receiver's feet because even if he caught it, he would have been taken down for -4 yards. His options were out, and he threw it at his feet.
Bizarre that you think one pass can determine a player when they haven't thrown any passes the entire game, too.
Say, do you think dual-quarterback systems are more productive than other systems?
Why do you think most coaches don't use them?
Do you think rhythm, getting accustomed to the timing and cadence of the game have anything to do with it?
I'll wait.
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I will no longer discuss Driskel with you.
It'd be wise you just take a step away from the computer altogether, or at the very least buff up on your logic. You've had some serious problems with it in a couple of threads now.
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Denver barely made the playoffs because they lost their last 3 games of the regular season and if the raiders would've beaten the chargers the last week of the season they would've went to the playoffs.
But they made them, and you say that the defense is the reason but I've given specific accounts of game winning drives. The defense was apart of it, but in the end Tebow and his team got them into the position to do so.
And the Bronco's offense was sorry that year, no one would even call them mediocre. No one could have done anything with that group, and like I said: The QB produced more touchdowns on the ground than the HB did. You can have all the yards in the world, but that statistic alone shows you what you need to know about that offense.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 5:09 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
It's weird that you use the same digs on everyone that disagrees with you. You really do think highly of yourself. That's just my opinion. You can now break each sentence into individual quotes and end with how my logic is flawed. That seems to be your go to play in the play book.
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 11/11/14 at 6:05 pm to roadGator
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It's weird that you use the same digs on everyone that disagrees with you. You really do think highly of yourself. That's just my opinion. You can now break each sentence into individual quotes and end with how my logic is flawed. That seems to be your go to play in the play book.
The Gish Gallop is a pretty notorious practice used by those who wish to flood their opponent's with a ton of fallacious statements -- the respectful and best way to interact is to try and respond to the biggest ones.
But, you've already stated that you had no interest in intellectual honesty, which is cool, but why I don't take you seriously anymore.
Well, I hadn't really done it at first, but you validated my suspicions.
Posted on 11/11/14 at 9:32 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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It's kind of pointless to argue with a guy who won't admit that a QB winning with his legs and his arm in different games isn't a sign of being a good QB.
Are you serious going from not being able to complete a pass and having to run on every play to going to a game where you can somewhat pass makes you a good QB. All I am saying and have said is Tebow wasn't ready and given the right system and coach he would be good (said in 3 straight posts on this thread by me) and that he proved based on his passing stats that he couldn't pass and had work to do. Which by the way is pretty much what every NFL talent evaluator, commentator and scout said about Tebow. Your job on offense is to score points and with Tebow as a starter they averaged two fewer a game how is that an improvement. I wonder what changed that would allow a team to score fewer points a game and win. Maybe a defense playing better.
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That's pretty stupid considering Muschamp has fundamental flaws in philosophy
You made my point thank you why keep someone in a position that has fundamental flaws and hasn't shown improvement.
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It'd be wise you just take a step away from the computer altogether, or at the very least buff up on your logic. You've had some serious problems with it in a couple of threads now.
I had some things to say but they are kind of inappropriate for a PUBLIC thread. I guess you haven't noticed you are the one that seems to have a logic problem with a lot of people on here take a look at the Reel and reflections thread. The majority if not all are tired of your crush on Driskel. My logic is based on fact my job and life is based on facts. Please point out where my logic is off in other threads and then feel free to explain to me what my personal opinion based on what I see should be. Is this not a public thread where people get to express their opinion and have discussions which you said when there was talks of kicking people. How times have changed. I actually looked at every Denver game they won prior to posting my prior entry including looking at the play by play. Maybe you should do the same. It doesn't lie it shows prater making 50+yd field goals to either win the game or send it to OT where he won the game with a FG. It shows the defense holding teams to low scores for four quarters and making plays to contribute to the win and put the team in good field position. It also shows Tebow making some plays after stinking it up for 3 1/2 quarters.
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But they made them, and you say that the defense is the reason but I've given specific accounts of game winning drives. The defense was apart of it, but in the end Tebow and his team got them into the position to do so. And the Bronco's offense was sorry that year, no one would even call them mediocre. No one could have done anything wit
And I have given specific examples where the defense did essentially win the game based on their play throughout the game. Getting 3-4 stops in OT twice and kicking a FG to win or the defense getting a turnover in the last couple mins to get the ball back for a win. But I also said Tebow has had a hand in the win but its not all him he made plays but the defense kept them in the game that's my point. So based on your logic if a game is 7-7 and the defense gets a interception at the end of a game and the QB throws a 20yd pass to put them in FG position the QB is the reason they win the game even if he only had 63 yds passing completing 42% of his passes. You shouldn't have to score all your points in the 4th quarter to win a game. He had 6 rushing TD's for crying out loud he didn't break a record Mcgahee had 4 ( He also had 6 fumbles Mcgahee had 3). I am glad you backed off your argument that it was amazing the QB led the team in passing TD's by the way that's sort of his job. So again with your logic a RB could have 2000yds and 3 TD's but a QB sneaks it into the endzone 5 times and has 400yds makes him a better player. Maybe its because those coaches getting paid millions with years of experience knew that if they passed they would get behind a lot so instead they managed the clock kept possession of the ball to limit points scored by the opposing team in hopes to make some plays on defense and some on offense to put up 14 on the scoreboard. Sounds a lot like Florida VS USC last year.
Cam Newton ran it 126 times for 701 yds and 14 td's. The difference is he also had over 4000 passing yards with a 60% completion percentage and a comparable receiving core. Imagine how their season turns out if they had a defense that could stop and hold a team to 17 pts they might not have lost a game.
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30~ dropped balls probably hurt more than those that are thrown away to avoid sacks. Especially on third and long. I'm pretty sure catching a ball that hits you in the chest while your quarterback is getting drilled would boost morale quite a bit.
I'm starting to believe you don't watch the games at all. Yes dropped balls hurt and I have posted several times that the WR's dropping balls has hurt us I have also said we have had too many third and longs. We win the LSU game if not for a dropped ball.
I'm gonna tell you the same thing you told Road based on your posts I cant take you seriously anymore its not worth my time or effort to try and understand your "logic". At first I was joking about the troll thing but know I think its true.
In Internet slang, a troll (/'tro?l/, /'tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]
Seems to fit
This post was edited on 11/11/14 at 11:12 pm
Posted on 11/12/14 at 7:32 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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But, you've already stated that you had no interest in intellectual honesty, which is cool, but why I don't take you seriously anymore.
I was dead serious about my opinion about you thinking highly of yourself. I have no interest in serious conversations on a message board with e-people. It's not my thing. It's fine for some. I just find it strange since I prefer serious conversations face to face. I get why you can't do that.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:40 am to roadGator
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I was dead serious about my opinion about you thinking highly of yourself. I have no interest in serious conversations on a message board with e-people. It's not my thing. It's fine for some. I just find it strange since I prefer serious conversations face to face. I get why you can't do that.
Then why exactly are you on a forum? Suspicious to me.
Posted on 11/12/14 at 9:45 am to gatorbait_007
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I'm gonna tell you the same thing you told Road based on your posts I cant take you seriously anymore its not worth my time or effort to try and understand your "logic". At first I was joking about the troll thing but know I think its true.
Did you come to this conclusion after the fourth paragraph? I'm fortunate I read this in reverse. I don't think you can claim the apathetic high ground after the third in an internet discussion.
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In Internet slang, a troll (/'tro?l/, /'tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[3] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[4]
Seems to fit
If you're familiar with trolling as I am, this is the most important part. Someone pissing you off doesn't mean they're a troll.
It's someone who has the sole intention of not contributing to the topic in order to piss someone off -- all of that together dictates a troll.
So if I was posting about Gay Marriage here, and I knew you guys were a conservative lot, I would make sure to take the side of the homosexuals.
However, Tim Tebow, Jeff Driskel and Treon Harris on a Gator discussion forum that's almost directly related to football (almost every thread is dedicated to it), I'm on topic and if I didn't legitimately feel for the Gator QB's I doubt I would go through this much effort.
But, if you're not interested in a topic (in spite writing novels about it), I'll let you be on your way.
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 10:24 am to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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However, Tim Tebow, Jeff Driskel and Treon Harris on a Gator discussion forum that's almost directly related to football (almost every thread is dedicated to it), I'm on topic
If you make a thread to discuss our thoughts about Tim Tebow and then start talking about Jeff Driskel that is off topic. You have done that on the last two threads you made (Reel and reflections and this one).
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But, if you're not interested in a topic (in spite writing novels about it), I'll let you be on your way
I am interested in the topic that you made the thread about Tim Tebow but not Jeff Driskel. I lose interest when I express my opionion and get told my logic is wrong because it doesnt agree with yours. And then get told to step away until I agree with you. Negative ghost rider the pattern is full.
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So if I was posting about Gay Marriage here, and I knew you guys were a conservative lot, I would make sure to take the side of the homosexuals.
So when 99% discuss the need to change QB and you take up for Driskel and defend him essentially saying he does no wrong that is the same thing, it is what a troll does and that is what your gay marriage analogy confirms going against the majority to create an argument.
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Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:04 pm to gatorbait_007
Holy fricking walls of text
Posted on 11/12/14 at 3:31 pm to boXerrumble
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Holy fricking walls of text
Imagine what it'd look like if he actually cared.
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