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Defensive success against HUNH
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:54 am
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:54 am
Is there an inverse relationship between defensive success against HUNH teams and power running teams?
It seems the last two years, LSU has gone to lighter and faster defenses and has had great success over HUNH teams. At the same time, the teams they have lost to and struggled against have been(exception Ole Miss) traditional power attacks.
Bama on the other hand has stayed with a larger, slower D and has struggled against HUNH teams.
Thoughts?
It seems the last two years, LSU has gone to lighter and faster defenses and has had great success over HUNH teams. At the same time, the teams they have lost to and struggled against have been(exception Ole Miss) traditional power attacks.
Bama on the other hand has stayed with a larger, slower D and has struggled against HUNH teams.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:56 am to bamafan1001
Bama ffffffffffffff'ed
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:56 am to bamafan1001
I would say that's part of it.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:57 am to bamafan1001
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Bama on the other hand has stayed with a larger, slower D and has struggled against HUNH teams.
Thoughts?
Im diggin it.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 10:59 am to bamafan1001
I think Bama's struggles against HUNH offense are overblown.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:00 am to parkjas2001
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Bama on the other hand has stayed with a larger, slower D and has struggled against HUNH teams.
Yeah they struggled mightily against Ole Miss last year
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:01 am to bamafan1001
I think Bamas struggles against HUNH are about coaching, not personnel.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:01 am to bamafan1001
Yes.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:02 am to bamafan1001
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Thoughts?
i thought about this the other day. it makes perfect sense. Teams that want to be faster on O have to have more stamina on D, therefore they would have to be lighter, to make up for that you want them to be faster. But this takes away from power allowing bigger OLs and power runs to have their way.
Fast O = Light D
Power O = Heavy D
if the coaches and talent are equal:
Fast O > Heavy D
Power O > Light D
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 11:04 am
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:03 am to bamafan1001
I mean it makes sense. The HUNH is designed for fast players and larger, slower Defenses not only have difficulty catching these quick players, but staying on the field for so long due to their lack of stamina. A faster defense could work
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:03 am to bamafan1001
Ole Miss is by no means a power attack.
That was just a freaking lucky game and one of LSU's biggest flub ups I've seen in a while. Bro Wallace channeled his inner Garcia in that game.
I really only think as far as the best comparison for LSU's fast and athletic vs. Big and strong will always be Alabama. Near same talent level every year and 2 sides of the same coin.
That was just a freaking lucky game and one of LSU's biggest flub ups I've seen in a while. Bro Wallace channeled his inner Garcia in that game.
I really only think as far as the best comparison for LSU's fast and athletic vs. Big and strong will always be Alabama. Near same talent level every year and 2 sides of the same coin.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 11:05 am
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:04 am to bamafan1001
There is an obvious correlation.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:04 am to dkreller
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I think Bamas struggles against HUNH are about coaching, not personnel.
Exactly. Nicky wants to play chess every snap and roll out a package to screw what he sees on the field. He can't accept the HUNH has changed the game to speed checkers and that the best strategy is coaching up versatile players that make good decisions themselves.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:06 am to bamafan1001
Best HUNH offense LSU faced in 2012 was A&M. A&M had over 400 yards offense but turned it over 5 times and missed a few field goals. Bama played A&M later in year when offense was clicking.
In 2013 Manziel played with thumb he dislocated the week before and were shut down. Particularly in the second half. Bama played A&M earlier when Manziel was completely healthy.
LSU has the best secondary in my opinion to deal with a HUNH offense. Play tight man to man. LSU secondary much quicker than BAMA and seem to break on the ball much faster.
In 2013 Manziel played with thumb he dislocated the week before and were shut down. Particularly in the second half. Bama played A&M earlier when Manziel was completely healthy.
LSU has the best secondary in my opinion to deal with a HUNH offense. Play tight man to man. LSU secondary much quicker than BAMA and seem to break on the ball much faster.
This post was edited on 9/5/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:09 am to Funky Tide 8
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I think Bama's struggles against HUNH offense are overblown.
Exactly...LSU didnt "stop" the AU offense last year, thy prevented them from getting into the endzone. LSU gave up more yards thasn Bama did in the IB. Im of the thought, that these HUNH offenses are going to get their yards, you just have to keep them from getting TD's and make them settle for FG's. Thats what the Bama D did vs WVU. Kept them out of the endzone.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:11 am to cardboardboxer
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Exactly. Nicky wants to play chess every snap and roll out a package to screw what he sees on the field. He can't accept the HUNH has changed the game to speed checkers and that the best strategy is coaching up versatile players that make good decisions themselves.
So how do you interpret LSU's recent struggles against power run teams? Did Chavis all the sudden become a worse coach against Power teams?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:11 am to camdonspicolli
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A faster defense could work
wont work. if you run a light/fast defense vs a Power O/Heavy D, the Power O would butcher them in the Run Game for 6 YPC easily. them it comes down to ToP.
Heavy D = Power O
Power O > Light D
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:14 am to bamafan1001
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So how do you interpret LSU's recent struggles against power run teams? Did Chavis all the sudden become a worse coach against Power teams?
No, the league is quickly shifting towards being mostly spread and HUNH teams (because there are a lot of underdogs looking to turn over the applecart) and Chavis is ahead of the curve.
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:19 am to cardboardboxer
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No, the league is quickly shifting towards being mostly spread and HUNH teams (because there are a lot of underdogs looking to turn over the applecart) and Chavis is ahead of the curve.
So you would agree with the inverse correlation then?
Posted on 9/5/14 at 11:20 am to cardboardboxer
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No, the league is quickly shifting towards being mostly spread and HUNH teams (because there are a lot of underdogs looking to turn over the applecart) and Chavis is ahead of the curve.
this
In order to beat the HUNH. you need a light DL that can maintain stamina. athletic and fast DBs/LBs that can play Man. otherwise you are going to get burned in the second half. A lot of HCs/DCs across the country have noticed the change and evolving with it.
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