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TJ Moe speaks obvious truth about CFB unionizing

Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:31 pm
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:31 pm
Is he the only player or former player out there with any sense? Unions of 18-22 year old morons will inevitably ruin the sport.
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This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:34 pm to
That is one wise motherfricker
Posted by StopRobot
Mobile, AL
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:35 pm to
allowing a free market for endorsements would also ruin the sport because a free market with college athletes could not be a true free market. Inevitably the boosters would strike deals just to get a kid to sign with their school.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:35 pm to
I hated TJ Moe as a player, especially when Missouri benefitted from a blatant block in the back on a long TD reception for him to beat San Diego State in the final minute in 2010, but I agree with him here until he goes on about the endorsements and such.

Opposed to endorsements because it would create a lot of bidding wars for high school athletes.

"Come to Oregon Mr. 5 star recruit, and you will get your own Nike shoe line and a giant ad on a billboard in Times Square the moment you sign your LOI"

Not sure if we want that.
Posted by The_Joker
Winter Park, Fl
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:38 pm to
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allowing a free market for endorsements would also ruin the sport because a free market with college athletes could not be a true free market. Inevitably the boosters would strike deals just to get a kid to sign with their school.


Yeah, that does open up a huge can of worms. The gist of what he's saying, he's right about though.
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:41 pm to
Oh and as a former player Gottlieb is probably right, 60 hour weeks are pretty rare. Here was our typical game week schedule:

Monday - Weights only for an hour, no practice

Tuesday - Weights in the morning for an hour. Film during lunchtime if you can make it. Meetings at 2:15, stretch at 3:15, practice at 3:30 that would end around 5:30-6:00. So total of about 5 hours.

Wednesday - Same as Tuesday.

Thursday - No weights, meetings at 2:15, stretch at 3:15, 10 period practice(50 minutes) ending around 4:30. So about 2.5 hours

Friday - Hour Walkthrough only. Travel if a road game. Film Review and Test at night for about an hour or two. So 2-3 hours

Saturday - Game Day. Say game kicks at 6:00, bus from hotel arrives to stadium at 3:30, game ends at 9:30, out of locker room by 10:00.

Sunday - Weights at 2:00, film at 3:30, team meeting at 5:00, 13 period practice(a little over an hour) at 5:30, out by 7:00. So 5 hours

Total is 21 hours not counting Game Day or voluntary film study. Also not counting study halls, but even adding all that in it doesn't total 60 hours.

And that is just during the season. In offseason/summer there is much more free time.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:42 pm to
Personally, I'd rather live in a land of players working the free market as opposed to players unionizing and effectively killing collegiate athletics as we know it. Unless the NCAA gets off its high horse (doubtful), we're running out of middle ground upon which to plant a compromise.

ETA: A free market would work itself out; boosters can't keep offering gobs of cash to every recruit every year. Nor can Nike or other companies continue to sign on new deals to athletes without oversaturating the market with 1000+ additional athletes on billboards and advertisements. What needs to happen is all athletes at these schools start getting a piece of the TV Network and Nike/Adidas/Under Armour deals. Cut every student athlete a check for appearing on the SEC Network, for appearing on EA NCAA 2015, and for wearing Nike apparel.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 1:47 pm
Posted by adammwilson
Carrollton (GA)
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:43 pm to
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Personally, I'd rather live in a land of players working the free market as opposed to players unionizing and effectively killing collegiate athletics as we know it. Unless the NCAA gets off its high horse (doubtful), we're running out of middle ground upon which to plant a compromise.


This. I agreed a lot with what Moe posted as well (big fan, hope he comes back healthy)
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:45 pm to
This kid gets it
Posted by undecided
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:50 pm to
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What needs to happen is all athletes at these schools start getting a piece of the TV Network and Nike/Adidas/Under Armour deals. Cut every student athlete a check for appearing on the SEC Network, for appearing on EA NCAA 2015, and for wearing Nike apparel.

Makes sense to me
Posted by goldennugget
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:53 pm to
quote:

Makes sense to me


What about a team like Akron who will play 2-3 non conference games against big name teams on ESPN/SEC Network? Should they get a cut, or just the school who is bringing in the eyeballs?

And should all players get a check for appearing on SEC network? What about the hurt players on crutches and wearing blue jeans with their jersey? Or just the ones who played on the field? And those who played, the players who put up the stats? What about the backup tight end who only saw action in the 3 kickoff returns his team received? Or what about the walk on running back who saw action on the kickoff team when his team was up 42-0 in garbage time? He was wearing Nike and appeared on TV after all.
This post was edited on 3/27/14 at 1:54 pm
Posted by JesusQuintana
St Louis
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 1:58 pm to
No, no, no...all of it, no
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:00 pm to
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No, no, no...all of it, no


Which is why its a bad idea.

A lot of people peddling this "players should get a cut of TV deals" or "players should be allowed to do endorsements" are not thinking it all the way through
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29179 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:03 pm to
It's amazing how much smarter the new kids are than the rest of the SEC. You think someone from State or Ole Miss could have said all those things?
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46496 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:08 pm to
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And should all players get a check for appearing on SEC network? What about the hurt players on crutches and wearing blue jeans with their jersey? Or just the ones who played on the field? And those who played, the players who put up the stats? What about the backup tight end who only saw action in the 3 kickoff returns his team received? Or what about the walk on running back who saw action on the kickoff team when his team was up 42-0 in garbage time? He was wearing Nike and appeared on TV after all.


All players. All sports. The conferences should be going to bat for the students or with student representatives during contract negotiations to figure out what percentage of the total sum of the contract figure will go directly to athletes. Then, all student athletes get an equal cut of that percentage.

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What about a team like Akron who will play 2-3 non conference games against big name teams on ESPN/SEC Network? Should they get a cut, or just the school who is bringing in the eyeballs?

Let their conference figure it out. Will this affect recruiting? Of course. But that's inevitable in any scenario. In 5-10 years, athletes will be getting monetary compensation in some form or fashion and it will add a new twist to how schools compete in recruiting players. But it's happening whether we're ready for all the shite that comes with it or not.
Posted by MIZ_COU
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:08 pm to
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That is one wise motherfricker
Missouri boy
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:08 pm to
Hate to be the harbinger of bad news, but the sport was ruined a long, long time ago. It was ruined by the greed of the athletic departments, bowl sponsors, TV Executives, etc. The players unionizing and finally getting a voice is only an attempt to level the playing field, but I do agree it will only ruin it more.

I still love watching it though.
Posted by Col reb 2011
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:10 pm to
If the current players start getting paid /free market/ whatever they end up doing do y'all think that past players will try to receive money from video games that used their likeness before all of this talk has come about
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46496 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:10 pm to
quote:

A lot of people peddling this "players should get a cut of TV deals" or "players should be allowed to do endorsements" are not thinking it all the way through


Well, there are two options: shut players out and allow them to take up the new outlet of unionization. Or let players take some of the money and try to find the best possible scenario for all parties involved. Either way, college athletics are about to go warp speed into a new era and it's not going to always be comfortable.
Posted by tylerdurden24
Member since Sep 2009
46496 posts
Posted on 3/27/14 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

If the current players start getting paid /free market/ whatever they end up doing do y'all think that past players will try to receive money from video games that used their likeness before all of this talk has come about


Will they try? Hell yeah, and they absolutely should give it a shot. No idea if it will pay off for them though
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