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Billy Kennedy supporters, answer this
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:15 am
Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:15 am
What has Kennedy done to deserve a contract extension or even a 4th year? Right now, he's in year 3 of a 5-year contract valued at $1.3 million per season with a $500,000 buyout.
Keep this in mind:
Nonconference home losses under Billy Gillispie: 1 (St. Joe's 3 games into the NIT in 2005)
Nonconference home losses under Mark Turgeon: 0
Nonconference home losses under Billy Kennedy: 3 (Rice 2011, Southern 2012, North Texas 2013)
Nonconference road wins under Billy Gillispie: 3 (at Penn State 2004, at DePaul 2005, at Auburn 2007)
Nonconference road wins under Mark Turgeon: 4 (at Alabama 2008, at Rice 2008, at SMU 2009, at TAMU-CC 2011)
Nonconference road wins under Billy Kennedy: 1 (at Houston 2012)
Neutral site nonconference wins under Billy Gillispie: 4 (Syracuse 2006, Penn 2007, Louisville 2007)
Neutral site nonconference wins under Mark Turgeon): 12 (Washington 2007, Ohio State 2007, BYU 2008, Kent State 2008, LSU 2008, BYU 2009, Clemson 2009, Minnesota 2009, Utah State 2010, Manhattan 2010, Temple 2010, Arkansas 2010)
Neutral site nonconference wins under Billy Kennedy: 2 (St. Johns 2011, Washington State 2012)
Conference record under Billy Gillispie: 31-17 (10 wins/season)
Conference record under Mark Turgeon: 38-26 (9 wins/season)
Conference record under Billy Kennedy: 14-29 (5 wins/season)
Postseason appearances under Billy Gillispie: 3 (1 NIT, 2 NCAA)
Postseason appearances under Mark Turgeon: 4 (all NCAA)
Postseason appearances under Billy Kennedy: 0
Keep this in mind:
Nonconference home losses under Billy Gillispie: 1 (St. Joe's 3 games into the NIT in 2005)
Nonconference home losses under Mark Turgeon: 0
Nonconference home losses under Billy Kennedy: 3 (Rice 2011, Southern 2012, North Texas 2013)
Nonconference road wins under Billy Gillispie: 3 (at Penn State 2004, at DePaul 2005, at Auburn 2007)
Nonconference road wins under Mark Turgeon: 4 (at Alabama 2008, at Rice 2008, at SMU 2009, at TAMU-CC 2011)
Nonconference road wins under Billy Kennedy: 1 (at Houston 2012)
Neutral site nonconference wins under Billy Gillispie: 4 (Syracuse 2006, Penn 2007, Louisville 2007)
Neutral site nonconference wins under Mark Turgeon): 12 (Washington 2007, Ohio State 2007, BYU 2008, Kent State 2008, LSU 2008, BYU 2009, Clemson 2009, Minnesota 2009, Utah State 2010, Manhattan 2010, Temple 2010, Arkansas 2010)
Neutral site nonconference wins under Billy Kennedy: 2 (St. Johns 2011, Washington State 2012)
Conference record under Billy Gillispie: 31-17 (10 wins/season)
Conference record under Mark Turgeon: 38-26 (9 wins/season)
Conference record under Billy Kennedy: 14-29 (5 wins/season)
Postseason appearances under Billy Gillispie: 3 (1 NIT, 2 NCAA)
Postseason appearances under Mark Turgeon: 4 (all NCAA)
Postseason appearances under Billy Kennedy: 0
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 8:34 pm
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Posted on 1/26/14 at 2:37 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Posted on 1/26/14 at 7:48 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Billy Kennedy supporters
Doesn't compute
Posted on 1/26/14 at 8:03 am to CGSC Lobotomy
1) You asked for Kennedy supporters on a board called SECRant?!
2) Don't confuse anyone with the facts.
3) Barring a major turnaround, the question becomes "what will Hyman do?" Personally I hope he has feelers out to Ben Howland because this season is starting to look like last season all over.
2) Don't confuse anyone with the facts.
3) Barring a major turnaround, the question becomes "what will Hyman do?" Personally I hope he has feelers out to Ben Howland because this season is starting to look like last season all over.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 9:41 am to CGSC Lobotomy
yo brah why u spend so much time on that?
dude is in year 3 has to get to the postseason.
if he doesnt bye bye.
dunno why you continue to wring your hands over it.
dude is in year 3 has to get to the postseason.
if he doesnt bye bye.
dunno why you continue to wring your hands over it.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 10:10 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I think about the closest thing you will find to a "supporter" is A)we might as well let the season finish out because firing a coach mid season is rarely a good idea without cause and B)he appears to be a good man who has tried to represent A&M well and has an unfortunate illness so they don't hate him.
I would have been fine with BK being fired after last year. I can't imagine he survives this year without some serious miracles occurring.
I would have been fine with BK being fired after last year. I can't imagine he survives this year without some serious miracles occurring.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:06 am to aggressor
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I can't imagine he survives this year
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:13 am to CGSC Lobotomy
A contract extension? Nothing yet. A 4th year? How about the fact that he and the University signed a five year deal?
That's the problem that I have with a lot of modern college fans. Incredibly high expectations that if aren't met within the first two years, cause the calls for the coach's head to start coming.
Was Gillispie a better coach than Kennedy? Yes. But that fact alone doesn't mean that Kennedy is terrible. Hell even Metcalf only made either the NIT or NCAA tournament 10 out of his 26 years, yet assuming this season turns out like it looks like its going to, Kennedy could still easily catch up to his average tournaments per year.
I don't think it's unreasonable to let a coach finish out the contract that he was assigned to and support him while he's doing it.
That's the problem that I have with a lot of modern college fans. Incredibly high expectations that if aren't met within the first two years, cause the calls for the coach's head to start coming.
Was Gillispie a better coach than Kennedy? Yes. But that fact alone doesn't mean that Kennedy is terrible. Hell even Metcalf only made either the NIT or NCAA tournament 10 out of his 26 years, yet assuming this season turns out like it looks like its going to, Kennedy could still easily catch up to his average tournaments per year.
I don't think it's unreasonable to let a coach finish out the contract that he was assigned to and support him while he's doing it.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:19 am to Projectpat
Mike Sherman signed a 7 year deal and was let go after year 4. Do you really think he deserved to keep his job?
"Assuming the season turns out like it's going to?"
We just lost to 2 teams with 14 combined scholarship players. Do you really see him winning more than 7 conference games in the worst major basketball conference?
"Assuming the season turns out like it's going to?"
We just lost to 2 teams with 14 combined scholarship players. Do you really see him winning more than 7 conference games in the worst major basketball conference?
This post was edited on 1/26/14 at 11:23 am
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:33 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Considering we signed him to it? Yes. Whether we should have signed him to that long of a contract is a whole other story.
Posted on 1/26/14 at 11:36 am to Projectpat
So basically, you're saying that Hyman has no choice but to keep what Byrne saddled him with? There's a reason the buyout is so low.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 3:38 pm to Projectpat
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A contract extension? Nothing yet. A 4th year? How about the fact that he and the University signed a five year deal?
There's a buyout in his contract. There's nothing dishonest about exercising that option according to the terms provided. Also, we have to give him an extension if we don't fire him. To not do so would kill his recruiting.
Finally, say what you like, but expecting him to take the program to the NIT once in three tries is not an unreasonable expectation. Yea I know the program had some problems and was trending down when Turge left, but it did not require a full fledged rebuild. Kennedy has had some talented players to work with and he's largely mismanaged them.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:08 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
He Gone, etc. etc.
But...
At least Billy Kennedy's student-athletes are going pro in things other than sports:
Cleaning Up Turgeon's Mess
But...
At least Billy Kennedy's student-athletes are going pro in things other than sports:
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Another indicator of the progress that the program has made is reflected in the NCAA’s Academic Progress Rate. Since Kennedy arrived in 2011-12, the program has seen its individual-year APR score rise each of the last two seasons and are expecting even higher results when the yearly tally for the 2012-13 season is released next summer.
Cleaning Up Turgeon's Mess
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:25 pm to Ash'sProstheticHand
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There's a buyout in his contract. There's nothing dishonest about exercising that option according to the terms provided.
I'm not saying there's anything dishonest about it, I just think there's a reason you sign coaches to multi-year contracts. Athletic departments know that it takes a while for things to work out. If it were up to some fans though, every coach would be on a game to game contract.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:39 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Conference record under Billy Kennedy: 14-28 (3 wins/season)
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Nonconference home losses under Billy Kennedy: 3 (Rice 2011, Southern 2012, North Texas 2013)
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Postseason appearances under Billy Kennedy: 0
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:41 pm to MMB5DAP
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Conference record under Billy Kennedy: 14-28 (3 wins/season)
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Nonconference home losses under Billy Kennedy: 3 (Rice 2011, Southern 2012, North Texas 2013)
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Postseason appearances under Billy Kennedy: 0
Yeah, I don't see how any coach at a D1 program can survive with a resume like this
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:47 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Conference record under Billy Kennedy: 14-28 (3 wins/season)
Just saw this. Might want to re-check your math.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:50 pm to Houston Summit
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Yeah, I don't see how any coach at a D1 program can survive with a resume like this
Three nonconference home losses in 3 years and no post-season appearances in two (yeah, likely three) seasons is damning enough for any D1 coach? Really??
90% of you guys treat basketball results like it's football. It's way harder to make the postseason in basketball and even great teams lose much more compared to football.
Posted on 1/27/14 at 4:53 pm to Projectpat
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Three nonconference home losses in 3 years and no post-season appearances in two (yeah, likely three) seasons is damning enough for any D1 coach? Really??
With our non conference schedules the past three years? Absolutely. There should never be a scenario where our coach loses to rice or southern or north texas by 20 at home and keeps his job. I'm sorry, but I expect a little more than that, and I hope our AD does as well
Not to mention the pathetic conference record and lack of postseason play. Yeah, I think we've all about seen enough
This post was edited on 1/27/14 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 1/27/14 at 5:00 pm to Projectpat
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Three nonconference home losses in 3 years and no post-season appearances in two (yeah, likely three) seasons is damning enough for any D1 coach? Really??
3 years and our players still can't break a full court press....
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