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Dee Hart? And the Poor Return Game
Posted on 7/1/13 at 5:06 pm
Posted on 7/1/13 at 5:06 pm
I usually keep up with the team a little more closely than I have this offseason. He didn't transfer did he? Is he back to 100%?
The reason I ask, is because our punt and kick return guys have been turrible since Arenas left (other than some flashes by Maze). I was rewatching the ole miss game last night, and Hart looked like the best returner we had before he went down. I know Ch. Jones returned one for a TD in that game, but, really he had a gaping hole to run through. All in all, I think both Jones' were terrible in that role last year.
If not Hart, who is going to do it? This is the one area that I don't feel Saban has done a superb job - special teams - especially the return game. Once Javy left, it's been pretty bad.
The reason I ask, is because our punt and kick return guys have been turrible since Arenas left (other than some flashes by Maze). I was rewatching the ole miss game last night, and Hart looked like the best returner we had before he went down. I know Ch. Jones returned one for a TD in that game, but, really he had a gaping hole to run through. All in all, I think both Jones' were terrible in that role last year.
If not Hart, who is going to do it? This is the one area that I don't feel Saban has done a superb job - special teams - especially the return game. Once Javy left, it's been pretty bad.
This post was edited on 7/1/13 at 5:30 pm
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Posted on 7/1/13 at 5:09 pm to Teague
He hasn't transferred. Was still rehabbing but returned a couple punts on A-day. Agree he could be our best option as PR.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 5:13 pm to sarc
c Jones scared me with fumbleitis
Posted on 7/1/13 at 5:19 pm to mrbroker
I was under the impression that Black was making some noise in that spot before his injury.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 6:16 pm to Teague
Both Jones' scared me to death with ball safety. Once Cyrus lost a couple returns its like he lost all confidence in himself, so he was basically useless there. Christian(sp?) just doesn't have the shiftiness needed for a return man. I'm excited to see Black in that role.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 6:20 pm to bbeck
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Christian(sp?) just doesn't have the shiftiness
Wrong. He has great shiftiness, it's Cyrus that doesn't have that. Christion (number 22) is very hard to get a hand on, both on returns and on offense. That said, his ball security on returns and his decision making on whether or not to catch the ball is bad.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 6:29 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
I'd rather Christion be blocking for the returner and covering punts and kickoffs. He obliterates people
Posted on 7/1/13 at 6:33 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
What I mean by "shiftiness" is his inability to move in any direction in a tight space. It always seemed like once he chose the direction or gap he wanted, there was no change in direction if the original gap was closed. He had great top end speed.
Javy was a special talent. He could see a gap open and hit it, but also change direction and slide through creases if the opening to run got crowded.
Not sure if that made sense
but you can look at Javy's tape vs Christion's and see what I'm talking about. Javy could turn a 5 yard return into a 15+ yard return with a slight cut or two. Christion seemed to hit a gap but struggle with any change in direction afterwards.
Javy was a special talent. He could see a gap open and hit it, but also change direction and slide through creases if the opening to run got crowded.
Not sure if that made sense
but you can look at Javy's tape vs Christion's and see what I'm talking about. Javy could turn a 5 yard return into a 15+ yard return with a slight cut or two. Christion seemed to hit a gap but struggle with any change in direction afterwards.Posted on 7/1/13 at 6:38 pm to bbeck
I wish we would put Sylve back there, he only needs one crease and he's through before it can get crowded. He's got to have ball security issues because he's our faster player by a good margin
Posted on 7/1/13 at 7:04 pm to Teague
Deion Belue is a great punt returner I'd love to see him takes some reps back there.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 7:06 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
wtf? cyrus is shifty af. and flashy too, high stepping jukes and what not. ball security was his issue.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 8:13 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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and his decision making on whether or not to catch the ball is bad.
This was Ch Jones' biggest issue IMO. Either he lines up too deep or he has a problem judging the ball in the air because he lets way too many punts that aren't short bounce in front of him.
Also, I noticed the PRs doing a drill on A-day I've never noticed them do before. They hold a ball while waiting on the punted ball to come down, and right before the punted ball gets to them, they would toss the ball they were holding in the air, catch the punted ball, then catch the ball they tossed in the air. I assume it's designed to help them with the ability to focus on 2 different things while catching a punt.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:33 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Christian(sp?) just doesn't have the shiftiness
Wrong. He has great shiftiness, it's Cyrus that doesn't have that. Christion (number 22) is very hard to get a hand on, both on returns and on offense. That said, his ball security on returns and his decision making on whether or not to catch the ball is bad.
What!?!
It's one thing to call people out....but at least be right about it. Dammned.... You know what...every time you make statements like this....and proclaiming others are just totally wrong......I still remembered your post and prediction of Auburn's record last year. You claimed they were going to go 9-3....and you were damned adamanant about it. I remembered...because some of the Bama guys called you out on it.
I'm just pissed b/c you claimed you know what the hell you're talking about it...call out others...and half of the time you're wrong. Take it easy dude....
Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:43 pm to VanBasten9
exactly.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 9:45 pm to VanBasten9
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What!?! It's one thing to call people out....but at least be right about it. Dammned....
Christion isn't shifty?
He's no Javy, who is? He's shifty though. I was never impressed with Cyrus as an offensive player or as a return man. At CB he'll be good though.
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You know what...every time you make statements like this....and proclaiming others are just totally wrong.
First of all, I stated my opinion. The wrong just means my opinion is different than whoever I'm talking to. Nice overreaction, kiddo.
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I still remembered your post and prediction of Auburn's record last year. You claimed they were going to go 9-3....and you were damned adamanant about it. I remembered...because some of the Bama guys called you out on it.
So? I was wrong, big deal. Predicting them to go 9-3 was smart money, not my fault you were all blinded by Crimson colored glasses. They won 8 games the year before, returned almost everyone, and had an easier schedule. They shite the bed big time.
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I'm just pissed b/c you claimed you know what the hell you're talking about it
No, you're pissed because you're overreacting to someone's opinion on a player, and then you falsely tried to call them out on it like some sort of internet hero.
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call out others
frick, I didn't know disagreeing meant calling someone out.
Grow the frick up. quote:
and half of the time you're wrong
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Take it easy dude....
This applies to you far more than me.
I won't be replying to any more of your flame attacks until you act like an adult.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:02 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
As a long time reader, I've been wondering, how old are you? I'm not trying to start anything but I've just gotta know.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:03 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
And Cyrus iss shiftier than Christion is imo, that's not why he has been moved. (I'm glad he's been moved fwiw. Think he has a chance to thrive there.)
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:04 pm to DocEllis
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As a long time reader, I've been wondering, how old are you? I'm not trying to start anything but I've just gotta know.
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I know you're not trying to start anything.
But why haven't you made an account before if you're a long time reader? We could use some more traffic on this board.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:06 pm to DocEllis
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And Cyrus iss shiftier than Christion is imo, that's not why he has been moved. (I'm glad he's been moved fwiw. Think he has a chance to thrive there.)
Meh, I just disagree. To be fair, Christion has had more chances to prove his shiftiness, so it's easier to forget what we've seen from Cyrus, but from what I've seen I wasn't really wowed. I think at CB, not this year because he needs to get used to it and learn the defense, he'll excel.
Posted on 7/1/13 at 10:10 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Agreeing to disagree is fair. We are talking about two slot/cb type athletes after all, who by definition at this level are kind of shifty. Saying "Cyrus doesn't have that" I think is empirically false. He's an explosive athlete, and while ball security was an issue, we saw some flashes a few of the times he touched the ball.
Would have guessed you were a lot younger tbh, though I was confused about that time you started a thread about getting a message on twitter from a player, when it was clearly just a twitter virus. Most of the kids these days are a little more twitter savvy than that, so I probably should have known. (I kid, I kid.)
Would have guessed you were a lot younger tbh, though I was confused about that time you started a thread about getting a message on twitter from a player, when it was clearly just a twitter virus. Most of the kids these days are a little more twitter savvy than that, so I probably should have known. (I kid, I kid.)
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