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Somebody give me some major positives about Pinkel.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 4:49 pm
And no I dont want something from 2007. I mean currently. What are we supposed to be looking forward to? And I need more than "hope for the best" or "trust the staff". Goes on and on about stepping up, hiring his nephew was ridiculous, going 5-7 was ridiculous, giving raises and promotions after that 5-7 season that we are all still waiting for them to earn, turn in his worst recruiting class ever (which is saying something for him). What in the hell are we doing? I ask this question again. Does he truly realize what is at stake here? Or is it that he is incapable of doing anything about it?
Does this seem like a situation in which we are optimistic for the future (anything in the future), or are we just waiting to see how this plays out? I seriously cant come up with anything positive. I cant wait until we can move on from this.
Does this seem like a situation in which we are optimistic for the future (anything in the future), or are we just waiting to see how this plays out? I seriously cant come up with anything positive. I cant wait until we can move on from this.
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Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:01 pm to Stripes314
He's not doing cocaine... That we know of.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:04 pm to the808bass
I almost wouldnt even care if he was 
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:06 pm to Stripes314
Whatever it takes. Amiright?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:10 pm to the808bass
I just do not think Pinkel is hungry whatsoever anymore. I mean J Franklin is making jokes about outworking Saban. Whether true or not, could you ever expect Pinkel to say something like that?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:18 pm to Stripes314
Right after he works out, he's going to be in the office. Doing what we do. And what we do works.
I was a Pinkel defender until the DUI and the aftermath. I don't think he had a lick of focus this year, on or off the field. If he's quit (and I think he has), he can quit collecting a check. Frick him.
I was a Pinkel defender until the DUI and the aftermath. I don't think he had a lick of focus this year, on or off the field. If he's quit (and I think he has), he can quit collecting a check. Frick him.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 5:32 pm to the808bass
Things definitely aren't trending in the right direction. My perception is that he lived off the Chase years instead of building off of the Chase years. Time will tell but between 5-7 and the smallest class in the SEC, he's got his work cut out for him at this point.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 6:30 pm to Stripes314
Here's a positive: he's going to be fired next year
Posted on 2/6/13 at 6:53 pm to KCM0Tiger
If he fails (5-7) again this year he'll be gone. If he succeeds (7-5) he'll keep his job and should give us a better recruiting finish.
edit: If we go 6-6 I have no clue what happens.
edit: If we go 6-6 I have no clue what happens.
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 6:55 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 7:08 pm to URHatinIt
Honestly...I think we need 8 wins for him to keep his job. 7-5 won't fill a 77,000+ stadium, but a big name hire after going 7-5 or worse would. Personally, I hope he succeeds and can win at least 8 or 9 next year and bring in a top 20 recruiting class.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 7:14 pm to TigerTap5
There are 4 winnable games in the SEC next year. We could easily go 1-7. Easily.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 7:24 pm to URHatinIt
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If he fails (5-7) again this year he'll be gone. If he succeeds (7-5) he'll keep his job and should give us a better recruiting finish.
7-5 ONLY if there is an Upset. TAMU, SC, UF, UGA level of an upset. Its either win every single other game or if you lose one substitute it with an upset. Otherwise he should be fired.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 7:25 pm to the808bass
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He's not doing cocaine... That we know of.
He might have more energy if he was.
And right at the moment, I got nuthin'.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 7:28 pm to semotruman
Oh, he did announce a new recruiting coordinator today. WTH is Nick Attobacker (sp?) anyway?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 7:41 pm to semotruman
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Nick Attobacker
Is this a cousin that we dont know about yet?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 8:09 pm to Stripes314
Why is everbody so down on this class? Cause we didn't get EE? Cause we lost a few recruits? One wanted to follow a criminal to K-state, one wanted to stay home and play in the dirtpile we call Iowa. Some other kids went to the Nubs and will dissapear like EE will at CUM U. I'm sure I forgot some.
I mean, alot of these kids we got comming in are good athletes. We all wanted most of the ones we got with the acceptions of a few. Pinkel can't help it if EE's dad wanted to drag his alma mater through the gutter. He had to hold out just in case EE did flip to us.
I mean what do you want him to do? Pull some five stars out of his arse or something? All he can do is try to get them to come here. I think we all know in reality we meaning Mizzou does not have alot of selling points. It's going to take kids like we have comming in this year to turn the tide to attract those big name players. It's a solid group. I could care less what anyone else did really.
I watched the EE video. The one telling thing in that video to me was the facilities. They had awsome facilities, from the walk through the hall of fame and history and traditions of thier rivalries down to the proffesional looking locker room. You could tell EE was in awe of this. Then you see Mizzou walk of shame into the junior high locker room. EE looked around and gave a look like wow what a difference.
Facilities in my mind play just as much a role in recruiting than the coaches themselves. Investing money in the right places tells recruits your commited to winning. Not an afterthought. When they were walking through the facility at Mizzou it brought one thing to mind. Walking through my kids highschool halls. Wne they went through tOSU's halls it reminded me of professionalism and it was pretty impressive.
I don't think it's all Pinkel. He could use some help from the university in the way of better facilities. I know they're on the way.
An yes I know, Pinkel hasn't held up his end of the deal either. But it was our first year in the toughest conference in the NCAA, we had the second toughest schedule, numerous injuries to key players. The only other thing that could have went wrong at Mizzou last year would have been a natural disaster.
I mean, alot of these kids we got comming in are good athletes. We all wanted most of the ones we got with the acceptions of a few. Pinkel can't help it if EE's dad wanted to drag his alma mater through the gutter. He had to hold out just in case EE did flip to us.
I mean what do you want him to do? Pull some five stars out of his arse or something? All he can do is try to get them to come here. I think we all know in reality we meaning Mizzou does not have alot of selling points. It's going to take kids like we have comming in this year to turn the tide to attract those big name players. It's a solid group. I could care less what anyone else did really.
I watched the EE video. The one telling thing in that video to me was the facilities. They had awsome facilities, from the walk through the hall of fame and history and traditions of thier rivalries down to the proffesional looking locker room. You could tell EE was in awe of this. Then you see Mizzou walk of shame into the junior high locker room. EE looked around and gave a look like wow what a difference.
Facilities in my mind play just as much a role in recruiting than the coaches themselves. Investing money in the right places tells recruits your commited to winning. Not an afterthought. When they were walking through the facility at Mizzou it brought one thing to mind. Walking through my kids highschool halls. Wne they went through tOSU's halls it reminded me of professionalism and it was pretty impressive.
I don't think it's all Pinkel. He could use some help from the university in the way of better facilities. I know they're on the way.
An yes I know, Pinkel hasn't held up his end of the deal either. But it was our first year in the toughest conference in the NCAA, we had the second toughest schedule, numerous injuries to key players. The only other thing that could have went wrong at Mizzou last year would have been a natural disaster.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 8:35 pm to jafo
A few things here:
1. The move to the SEC was a very popular move. By virtue, we knew what we were getting. I never want to hear another complaint about "our schedule was too hard". Seriously. Expect a Top 10 schedule every year from here on out. Nobody is going to take it easy on us because they are adapting and competing with the competition level on the schedule and we are not.
2. I agree with the facilities knock. I shuddered a little when I saw ours. I certainly hope this $200 Million dollar project will take care of this, but I feel like it will just get us in the ballpark of others schools now before they upgrade again.
3. The class has good individual pieces, but the potential for this to be a good class left weeks ago. Whether we got EE or not had no bearing on if this would be a good class or not.
4. The criticism on Gary is partially who he did and didnt get, but mainly it is about how we went after recruits. For example, Wazzu, Indiana, UK, and kansas have all outrecruited us this year. In UK's sense their coach has been on the job for 2 months. And we are 20 spots behind them. Now really think to yourself. I am not asking for you to attack or defend that, but ask yourself. Is that acceptable? We can play the whole Rivals has a weird system or well somebody was rated this on another site game, but at the end of the day the numbers are what the numbers are. Nice pieces but this class will not cut it.
5. Going back into my criticism of how Pinkel is recruiting. If it wasnt bad enough that he thought his nephew from Wyoming was the most suitable hire to start recruiting Georgia, him making Jones the overseer of mining Florida? I mean our worst recruiter and a GA from Wyoming in our most important recruiting area? Why do I feel like you are taking GA and FL seriously? I am not talking about walking in and pulling out Top 100 kids in year 1. I am asking why are our more unreliable recruiters in this area of great importance. It's one thing for Grinch to have to build relationships down there, in which we cant afford the time to do so. Why did we not get a coach with great SEC ties into this area? I mean what was the gameplan here? Again I am not talking about getting Top 100 off the bat. Outside of Printz, who did we get from the southeast? This is why we (and Gary Pinkel specifically) cant afford for relationships to be built. We were the new guys at the table this year. We need people familiar with the area to vouch for us. Lend us credibility in an unfamiliar area.
6. Lack of depth is again on the coaches. They are the ones that recruited these guys to step up, and they were unable to. I think we have handled that some with this class, but time will tell.
7. And you should care what other teams are doing especially within our conference. Not caring is why we run into 5-7's. We are drastically behind our competition. We have the #50 class. The whole conference finished within the top 30 except us. Is that acceptable?
1. The move to the SEC was a very popular move. By virtue, we knew what we were getting. I never want to hear another complaint about "our schedule was too hard". Seriously. Expect a Top 10 schedule every year from here on out. Nobody is going to take it easy on us because they are adapting and competing with the competition level on the schedule and we are not.
2. I agree with the facilities knock. I shuddered a little when I saw ours. I certainly hope this $200 Million dollar project will take care of this, but I feel like it will just get us in the ballpark of others schools now before they upgrade again.
3. The class has good individual pieces, but the potential for this to be a good class left weeks ago. Whether we got EE or not had no bearing on if this would be a good class or not.
4. The criticism on Gary is partially who he did and didnt get, but mainly it is about how we went after recruits. For example, Wazzu, Indiana, UK, and kansas have all outrecruited us this year. In UK's sense their coach has been on the job for 2 months. And we are 20 spots behind them. Now really think to yourself. I am not asking for you to attack or defend that, but ask yourself. Is that acceptable? We can play the whole Rivals has a weird system or well somebody was rated this on another site game, but at the end of the day the numbers are what the numbers are. Nice pieces but this class will not cut it.
5. Going back into my criticism of how Pinkel is recruiting. If it wasnt bad enough that he thought his nephew from Wyoming was the most suitable hire to start recruiting Georgia, him making Jones the overseer of mining Florida? I mean our worst recruiter and a GA from Wyoming in our most important recruiting area? Why do I feel like you are taking GA and FL seriously? I am not talking about walking in and pulling out Top 100 kids in year 1. I am asking why are our more unreliable recruiters in this area of great importance. It's one thing for Grinch to have to build relationships down there, in which we cant afford the time to do so. Why did we not get a coach with great SEC ties into this area? I mean what was the gameplan here? Again I am not talking about getting Top 100 off the bat. Outside of Printz, who did we get from the southeast? This is why we (and Gary Pinkel specifically) cant afford for relationships to be built. We were the new guys at the table this year. We need people familiar with the area to vouch for us. Lend us credibility in an unfamiliar area.
6. Lack of depth is again on the coaches. They are the ones that recruited these guys to step up, and they were unable to. I think we have handled that some with this class, but time will tell.
7. And you should care what other teams are doing especially within our conference. Not caring is why we run into 5-7's. We are drastically behind our competition. We have the #50 class. The whole conference finished within the top 30 except us. Is that acceptable?
Posted on 2/6/13 at 8:37 pm to jafo
OK, it's Nick Otterbacher, he's been on the staff a long time and apparently has been doing the job. Pinkel "announced" today that he's the recruiting coordinator, taking over from Yost. His title has been director of football recruiting for a few years, but apparently he was doing the logistic stuff. He's from Tampa.
So, another opportunity missed to bring a high-level recruiter onto the staff.
So, another opportunity missed to bring a high-level recruiter onto the staff.
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 8:51 pm to Stripes314
Bro, I said on here a long time ago, it's going to take two things to pull recruits out of the south east, one is time, the other is winning games. The facilities probably take a back seat to those two things and those two things are innertwined. I was one of the sunshine pumpers here that thought we would do better than we actually did. But the strength of schedule is reality whether you want to talk about it, make it an excuse or what ever.
I agree with coach aspect your making. But again, who knows, in time they may turn out to be pretty good, then again they may never be any good. Pinkel has stated they evaluate this every year and make adjustments. They are still concentrating on Texas it appears as they have three coaches still in state recruiting Texas.
You make some valid points though. Yes recruiting depth is on the coaches, but when you recruit players that do not pan out, then you could pin that on coaching or the player. Not all players pan out every year.
It all still boils down to winning games. That makes recruits notice you quicker than anything.
it is what it is. We're stuck with Pinkel. It can be worse. I still feel this class is alot better than people are giving them credit for. Time will tell.
I agree with coach aspect your making. But again, who knows, in time they may turn out to be pretty good, then again they may never be any good. Pinkel has stated they evaluate this every year and make adjustments. They are still concentrating on Texas it appears as they have three coaches still in state recruiting Texas.
You make some valid points though. Yes recruiting depth is on the coaches, but when you recruit players that do not pan out, then you could pin that on coaching or the player. Not all players pan out every year.
It all still boils down to winning games. That makes recruits notice you quicker than anything.
it is what it is. We're stuck with Pinkel. It can be worse. I still feel this class is alot better than people are giving them credit for. Time will tell.
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 8:58 pm
Posted on 2/6/13 at 9:01 pm to jafo
I agree. The class is probably better than we give credit for, but that might not mean it is better than any other SEC class either. At this point Pinkel better start winning.
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