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re: Somebody give me some major positives about Pinkel.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 9:08 pm to Stripes314
Posted on 2/6/13 at 9:08 pm to Stripes314
One thing that stuck out to me in Pinkel's press conference - he's said it before, but for some reason it stuck with me this time. He says they never, ever look at ratings and stars. They have their own evaluation system, and feel like it works. And tbh, it has worked for them in the past.
I think the piece is missing is adjusting for the SEC. Other than looking for bigger linemen, I don't see a change in philosophy, either in recruiting or on the field. This class would be perfectly acceptable in the big 12, but our expectations have gone up. Pinkel's stubbornness, I'm afraid, will do him in.
ETA - I do think the class is probably better than it appears on paper. I think we have some studs, like Hosick, Printz, Rhodes, Augusta, Abbington, etc. I just hope our staff doesn't let them down.
I think the piece is missing is adjusting for the SEC. Other than looking for bigger linemen, I don't see a change in philosophy, either in recruiting or on the field. This class would be perfectly acceptable in the big 12, but our expectations have gone up. Pinkel's stubbornness, I'm afraid, will do him in.
ETA - I do think the class is probably better than it appears on paper. I think we have some studs, like Hosick, Printz, Rhodes, Augusta, Abbington, etc. I just hope our staff doesn't let them down.
This post was edited on 2/6/13 at 9:14 pm
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Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:04 pm to Stripes314
I remember watching us lose to bowling mother fricking green state university TWICE in a row.
Remember when Larry signed 25 kids and then 10 of those kids never set foot on campus?
Pinkel haters sound like the nebraska fans who wanted solich gone.
Think about this: We fire pinkel. Who do we REALISTICALLY get that would be an immediate upgrade?
get a brain you MFing morans.
Remember when Larry signed 25 kids and then 10 of those kids never set foot on campus?
Pinkel haters sound like the nebraska fans who wanted solich gone.
Think about this: We fire pinkel. Who do we REALISTICALLY get that would be an immediate upgrade?
get a brain you MFing morans.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:06 pm to jafo
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I mean what do you want him to do? Pull some five stars out of his arse or something? All he can do is try to get them to come here. I think we all know in reality we meaning Mizzou does not have alot of selling points. It's going to take kids like we have comming in this year to turn the tide to attract those big name players. It's a solid group. I could care less what anyone else did really.
I don't want him to pull them out of arse. I want him to work for it and get them here. If he can't do it, then he's not cut out for the job and we need to find someone who is.
Having said that, I do agree 100% that I like the kids Mizzou did bring in. I think they are kids that can help the program. Heck, I even like the offer to Harris even though he's only played 2 years. The problem, as I see it, is the numbers. We have the smallest class in all the SEC. I believe we're nearing 100 nationally on our class size. When all we heard about was lack of depth, lack of depth, lack of depth...well having the smallest classes around isn't going to help you there even if the kids you do bring in are quality.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:19 pm to semotruman
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One thing that stuck out to me in Pinkel's press conference - he's said it before, but for some reason it stuck with me this time. He says they never, ever look at ratings and stars. They have their own evaluation system, and feel like it works. And tbh, it has worked for them in the past.
I think the piece is missing is adjusting for the SEC. Other than looking for bigger linemen, I don't see a change in philosophy, either in recruiting or on the field. This class would be perfectly acceptable in the big 12, but our expectations have gone up. Pinkel's stubbornness, I'm afraid, will do him in.
ETA - I do think the class is probably better than it appears on paper. I think we have some studs, like Hosick, Printz, Rhodes, Augusta, Abbington, etc. I just hope our staff doesn't let them down.
You know, I think he's so full of shite semo. They might do their own rating too, but I can guarantee you they are getting reports/rankings from some recruiting service as well. He sure as hell didn't have a problem telling us last year that we got the #1 recruit in the nation. No way Mizzou's own "internal" rating system could determine that unless they watched every single high school football player in the nation.
I agree, we have some studs. Mind you though, its either Hosick OR Printz. Assuming Hosick stays at QB, it's highly doubtful both will have the opportunity to contribute on game day in their careers here, if they both stay. The problem, though, isn't with who it's with how many. The staff screwed the pooch when it comes to that. Think how you would feel if, in addition to the studs we landed, we added 2 more 3*/4* OL and 2 more 3*/4* DL. IMO that's where the staff fell short.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:21 pm to NaturalLight00
Ok man. You are right though! Never reach for the stars, because you might not make it then you will have to deal with that. Lets not even try to elevate the program. Then we wont have to deal with failure. Lets not even play next year and then we wont have to deal with the possibility of losing. Great solution.
Real quick. I get the whole Texas control situation and that, but that cant be the only reason we left. If you dont want to elevate the program, then why did we leave the Big XII? I mean you dont care if we sign the worst class in the SEC and go 5-7. So, we might as well be back in the Big XII taking orders from Texas. We would be in the same place. Sorry, but I get pretty tired of Mizzou Fans when they say that we need to accept our station in life and just be happy with what we have. I am glad people in charge have more vision than that.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:25 pm to Stripes314
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Stripes
Ain't nothing wrong with striving to be the best
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:26 pm to NaturalLight00
We kept the MFing morans on TB.
I don't think anyone has said GP should be fired right now. I could be wrong. I think most that have said he should be fired have said if we have another suck arse season he should be. Can't disagree with that at that point.
Many have been disappointed with the class this year and, at least in part, have put some of that blame on GP but I don't think anyone said GP should be fired because of where this class ended up. I think it's been an accumulation of issues (including off the field) that have led some to believe a sub-par year next year is enough. I agree with that but at the same time, I hope he wins 9 games and gets a top 20 recruiting class and keeps his job. I think that would be happier times.
As to who to hire...if I knew I'd have Alden's job and he'd have mine. That's what he gets paid the big bucks for and if he can't bring in a top tier coach, well that's on him and frankly we need an AD who can.
I don't think anyone has said GP should be fired right now. I could be wrong. I think most that have said he should be fired have said if we have another suck arse season he should be. Can't disagree with that at that point.
Many have been disappointed with the class this year and, at least in part, have put some of that blame on GP but I don't think anyone said GP should be fired because of where this class ended up. I think it's been an accumulation of issues (including off the field) that have led some to believe a sub-par year next year is enough. I agree with that but at the same time, I hope he wins 9 games and gets a top 20 recruiting class and keeps his job. I think that would be happier times.
As to who to hire...if I knew I'd have Alden's job and he'd have mine. That's what he gets paid the big bucks for and if he can't bring in a top tier coach, well that's on him and frankly we need an AD who can.
Posted on 2/6/13 at 11:32 pm to Stripes314
Stipes, question for you. And I think I know the answer already.
Would you be happy if the GP led team goes 10-2 next year? I'm assuming your answer is yes.
Would you be happy if GP recruited a top 20 class next year that is top 5 or 6 in the SEC? I'm assuming your answer is yes.
The point is, and what I think some people miss, is that it's not being anti-Pinkel. It's being pro-Mizzou. I think most people would be just fine if GP coaches the team to a 9-3 or 10-2 record. People would celebrate GP landing a top 20 class. It's nothing against him. It's the results. And if the results are poor, something needs to be done to fix those results, whether it's GP or someone else.
Would you be happy if the GP led team goes 10-2 next year? I'm assuming your answer is yes.
Would you be happy if GP recruited a top 20 class next year that is top 5 or 6 in the SEC? I'm assuming your answer is yes.
The point is, and what I think some people miss, is that it's not being anti-Pinkel. It's being pro-Mizzou. I think most people would be just fine if GP coaches the team to a 9-3 or 10-2 record. People would celebrate GP landing a top 20 class. It's nothing against him. It's the results. And if the results are poor, something needs to be done to fix those results, whether it's GP or someone else.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 12:18 am to reedus23
I would LOVE 9-3/10-2 and a Top 20 class. I just dont feel like he can do that (especially the 2nd one)
People dont know the extent I have defended Pinkel before this season. I still love the man, it has just become clear as to what we have. He has next year. We need to win. I feel like our expectations are fair, being that he has been around for 13 years. We need to move forward though. And this is not a one year thing. Look at his record since the OU game in 2010 (a major benchmark in recent Missouri history). I just dont want to see us fall behind in this conference. And I think we are seeing all we need to see from Pinkel. I want him to be remembered for the reason we got to the SEC, not the guy that couldnt cut it once we got in.
People dont know the extent I have defended Pinkel before this season. I still love the man, it has just become clear as to what we have. He has next year. We need to win. I feel like our expectations are fair, being that he has been around for 13 years. We need to move forward though. And this is not a one year thing. Look at his record since the OU game in 2010 (a major benchmark in recent Missouri history). I just dont want to see us fall behind in this conference. And I think we are seeing all we need to see from Pinkel. I want him to be remembered for the reason we got to the SEC, not the guy that couldnt cut it once we got in.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 6:01 am to semotruman
A recruiting coordinator's main job is to handle logistics, not to be another recruiter.
Schedule visits,set up transportation,put together itinerary for visits etc.
Schedule visits,set up transportation,put together itinerary for visits etc.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 8:24 am to Stripes314
I hear ya Stripes. I just wanted it to be clear, you're not a Pinkel basher because of some grudge you hold against him. You just want to see Mizzou succeed and don't think GP is going to get it done. I'm in much the same boat as you. I'm for whatever it takes to move Mizzou forward. If GP does that next year, I will be the first to congratulate him. On the flip side, if he doesn't, we have to move on. The SEC will expose you as a fraud if you're simply spinning stats to make yourself feel better. You better follow up good seasons with good recruiting and then another good season. Mediocrity gets exposed pretty damn fast in the SEC and you can't get by with it like you could in the Big 12.
Just wanted to make clear, I wasn't questioning you but just trying to make it clear you're not anti-Pinkel, just pro-Mizzou.
Just wanted to make clear, I wasn't questioning you but just trying to make it clear you're not anti-Pinkel, just pro-Mizzou.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 8:33 am to reedus23
Pinkel does things the right way. He is good at evaluating and developing talent.
he can't coach up that talent for crap, though.
he can't coach up that talent for crap, though.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 9:11 am to reedus23
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I don't want him to pull them out of arse. I want him to work for it and get them here. If he can't do it, then he's not cut out for the job and we need to find someone who is. Having said that, I do agree 100% that I like the kids Mizzou did bring in. I think they are kids that can help the program. Heck, I even like the offer to Harris even though he's only played 2 years. The problem, as I see it, is the numbers. We have the smallest class in all the SEC. I believe we're nearing 100 nationally on our class size. When all we heard about was lack of depth, lack of depth, lack of depth...well having the smallest classes around isn't going to help you there even if the kids you do bring in are quality.
OK, being I did'nt follow Pinkel around during this last year, I am not an assistant of his and was not invloved in any facit of the recruiting process, I'm assuming alot of us on here were not either, I think it's safe to assume that we can't stand here and factually say Pinkel didn't work his arse off on recruiting. Can't say he did either. Alot of things can be read into why everyone thinks this class sucks. I'll agree with stripes when he said this class can not be rated the same success as other SEC recruiting, but as said before these kids may surprise us. Who knows? All you can go by right now are ranking systems that we all know for a fact are flawed, example, Singleton ranking. So the only other way for Pinkel to make fans happy is to pull some 5 stars out of his arse.
Three things Lou Holtz mentioned yesterday were interesting. One, he mentioned quality of assistant coaching is crucial. Another thing he mentioned is that you don't have to have a huge recruiting class to have success either. You have to recruit positions that are crucial to winning, as he mentioned one spot was QB. We have some depth, just not where we need it right now. I think they made steps forward as far as depth goes. We are deep at the most crucial position, and thats QB. Who knows if some of these new recruit O-lineman may wind up starting next year, and with the returning kids, thats depth. I'm not sure I can agree with your last sentence about less quantity but higher quality means they are not going to help. I wish I could post or link that discussion with Holtz yesterday. It would clarify alot about this subject.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 9:58 am to jafo
Jafo, I don't think we're really disagreeing on much here. I think the kids we brought in are quality players. I'm not disappointed with them or their rankings. What I am saying though is that if we're going to miss out on guys like Mixon or Outlaw, that's fine, it happens, but we have to have more plan B, C and D's to round out classes. I'm not saying get quantity for quantities sake. They still need to be quality players. Signing 4 or 5 more quality recruits would go further to addressing our depth issues and for those concerned with rankings (I'm admittedly one as far as class comparisons), those additional players would naturally move us up.
The biggest concern is how it translates to the field and here is an example of my concern of how having a small class doesn't help depth. You're right, we have depth at QB. We signed 2 more for one position. Creates competition. Awesome. Now, on the OL, we signed 3 for 5 positions. I think those 3 will be excellent players and contribute, but that still isn't helping the depth problem on the field.
As for GP, you're right. I don't know how hard he's working or not. What I do know is the results so it almost doesn't matter in today's world. Either he's not working hard and that's an issue or he's working hard and still not getting results and that's still an issue. Here's to hoping for 9-3 next year.
The biggest concern is how it translates to the field and here is an example of my concern of how having a small class doesn't help depth. You're right, we have depth at QB. We signed 2 more for one position. Creates competition. Awesome. Now, on the OL, we signed 3 for 5 positions. I think those 3 will be excellent players and contribute, but that still isn't helping the depth problem on the field.
As for GP, you're right. I don't know how hard he's working or not. What I do know is the results so it almost doesn't matter in today's world. Either he's not working hard and that's an issue or he's working hard and still not getting results and that's still an issue. Here's to hoping for 9-3 next year.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 10:25 am to reedus23
what backup plans are going to be available on NSD? Your backup plans come in to play late in the recruiting game but even your backup plans are going to be gone come NSD.
Posted on 2/7/13 at 10:26 am to Stripes314
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Somebody give me some major positives about Pinkel
I'm told he has a lovely singing voice.
This post was edited on 2/7/13 at 10:28 am
Posted on 2/7/13 at 11:01 am to notsince98
Other schools seem to be able to sign 23-25 guys is all I'm saying. 2 more OL and 2 DL would have made this class look really good as far as depth.
This post was edited on 2/7/13 at 11:02 am
Posted on 2/8/13 at 10:42 am to reedus23
I have noticed how nobody has given any real positives. We either tried to diminish the impact of this poor class, attack Me, or crack jokes (many of which were funny by the way 
)
Looks like I am not alone in my thinking.
) Looks like I am not alone in my thinking.
Posted on 2/8/13 at 11:59 am to Stripes314
Stripes, I hope you didn't take anything I said as attacking you. Hell, I can't even remember what all I did say, but I know I never posted anything with the intentions of attacking anyone. If you took it that way my bad and know it wasn't intended.
This post was edited on 2/8/13 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 2/8/13 at 12:01 pm to reedus23
It was your boy NaturalLight I was referring to on that.
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