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Posted on 8/1/12 at 11:58 am
Posted on 8/1/12 at 11:58 am
Why do so many alumnus of your institution refer to A&M as a military school? West Point, U.S. Naval Academy, VMI, Citadel come to mind when I think of military academies, not A&M. I see A&M as a state school with a big ROTC program. My nephew graduated from aTm and he is the only one I know who doesn't do this, but then again liberal that he is, I don't see him wanting to identify with the military in any way.
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 12:03 pm to TurDuken
I have never heard a former student refer to it as a current military school. I've heard people refer to the pre-Rudder A&M as a military school because it was.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 12:03 pm to TurDuken
Part of A&M is a senior military college just like VMI and the Citadel, but it is also a large public university. V-Tech is also a senior military college/ public university
This post was edited on 8/1/12 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 8/1/12 at 12:06 pm to joe.liberst
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A&M is a senior military college just like VMI and the Citadel
Okay, this I didn't know.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 12:07 pm to joe.liberst
This.
We were also an all male school where corps involvement was mandatory and service after was pretty much guaranteed. I believe that ended in 1972 though.
We were also an all male school where corps involvement was mandatory and service after was pretty much guaranteed. I believe that ended in 1972 though.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 12:12 pm to Greg09Ag
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We were also an all male school where corps involvement was mandatory and service after was pretty much guaranteed.
This is true of LSU also, LSU was a military academy and seminary. I know the mandatory corps of cadets involvment (for your first two years) ended sometime in the late Vietnam War era, but I am not sure exactly what year.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 12:28 pm to joe.liberst
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A&M is a senior military college
This is the explanation
Posted on 8/1/12 at 1:12 pm to TbirdSpur2010
A&M was All Male/All Military until the '50s. Then the military portion became optional. The All Male part went in stages but effectively in the '60s this was done. Interestingly enough a couple years ago the ratio at A&M is actually now majority female by a hair and there are 50k students. There are currently about 2k people in the Corps of Cadets at A&M and they live in special dorms and wear uniforms to class and have a very rigorous/Citadel/VMI type setup though they also are regular college students. About 40% of the people in the Corps actually take military commissions.
A&M is one of just 6 Sr Military ROTC institutions and produces the most officers out of any of them. Virginia Tech is the only other Sr Military institution that is integrated with non Corps students. In WWII A&M actually had more men serving than all of the service academies combined and had 7 MoH winners which are housed in the MSC (and thus that is why Aggies get so worked up about walking on the grass outside the MSC which stands for Memorial Student Center as it is a memorial to those who died in military service). Over 250 Aggies have attained the rank of General or Admiral and over 20,000 Aggies have served in combat for the US Military.
The older classes of Aggies when it was All Male/Majority military are VERY hard core as a rule. To give you an idea, my Dad is a Class of '58 and when he was at A&M there were about 5k students and a little over 1k in his class. I went with him to his 35th Class Reunion many years ago and they had about 300 Class members there. How many places can get 1/3rd of their entire college class to come to a 35th reunion?
So essentially A&M is a mix of many things but has deep military roots that permeate many of the traditions. You can't walk 100 yards on campus without bumping in to another memorial or monument dedicated to everything from the Aggies who died in the Spanish American War to Parks or Streets named after the MoH winners. Of course a lot of the traditions are just fun or cool that are based around the Corps heritage such as Elephant Walk or Silver Taps or Aggie Muster so they are also revered by non corps Aggies. The reason for the Yell Leaders for instance is because A&M was all male for so long and with no women around they created the Yell Leader tradition quite organically. A&M is tradition crazy so even though it is an elected position with more women at A&M than men and Corps members comprising 4% of the student body only a handful of Non Corps Yell Leaders have ever been elected and no females.
A&M is one of just 6 Sr Military ROTC institutions and produces the most officers out of any of them. Virginia Tech is the only other Sr Military institution that is integrated with non Corps students. In WWII A&M actually had more men serving than all of the service academies combined and had 7 MoH winners which are housed in the MSC (and thus that is why Aggies get so worked up about walking on the grass outside the MSC which stands for Memorial Student Center as it is a memorial to those who died in military service). Over 250 Aggies have attained the rank of General or Admiral and over 20,000 Aggies have served in combat for the US Military.
The older classes of Aggies when it was All Male/Majority military are VERY hard core as a rule. To give you an idea, my Dad is a Class of '58 and when he was at A&M there were about 5k students and a little over 1k in his class. I went with him to his 35th Class Reunion many years ago and they had about 300 Class members there. How many places can get 1/3rd of their entire college class to come to a 35th reunion?
So essentially A&M is a mix of many things but has deep military roots that permeate many of the traditions. You can't walk 100 yards on campus without bumping in to another memorial or monument dedicated to everything from the Aggies who died in the Spanish American War to Parks or Streets named after the MoH winners. Of course a lot of the traditions are just fun or cool that are based around the Corps heritage such as Elephant Walk or Silver Taps or Aggie Muster so they are also revered by non corps Aggies. The reason for the Yell Leaders for instance is because A&M was all male for so long and with no women around they created the Yell Leader tradition quite organically. A&M is tradition crazy so even though it is an elected position with more women at A&M than men and Corps members comprising 4% of the student body only a handful of Non Corps Yell Leaders have ever been elected and no females.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 1:28 pm to aggressor
I've never heard anyone refer to it as a Military school. I've also never heard any ag refer to it as a Senior Military School even though it is so i'm not sure where you're hearing this.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 1:40 pm to 03ki11er
The proper term is not "military school," but "senior military college." Say that to most folks who've been around the military for awhile and they'll know you're referring to VMI, the Citadel, Virginia Tech, A&M, etc.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 1:41 pm to TurDuken
Posted on 8/1/12 at 1:51 pm to aggressor
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About 40% of the people in the Corps actually take military commissions.
So 40% will go into the real military after they graduate. Any college graduate of any college will receive military commission when they join the armed forces.
60% are fake and will never be in the military. 100% Of these students wish they can have their college years back. They wished they partied like a normal student.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 1:53 pm to TurDuken
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Why do so many alumnus of your institution refer to A&M as a military school?
Um, they don't. I'm not sure where you are getting that.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 1:57 pm to ctiger69
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60% are fake and will never be in the military. 100% Of these students wish they can have their college years back. They wished they partied like a normal student.
1. Not everyone who joins the military commissions, nor are OCS, PLC, and other direct commissioning programs included in the overall numbers. Also, there are two specific outfits on campus that are populated by veterans.
2. If you had a clue about how ROTC programs work, you would know that the number of individuals they can commission is CAPPED. Even if A&M, Virginia Tech, the Citadel, VMI, etc could commission every cadet, they are prohibited by law and regulations from doing so.
3. Your point is bullshite, your argument is flawed, and you've clearly never served based on your complete ignorance of simple military facts. Go frick yourself.
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Any college graduate of any college will receive military commission when they join the armed forces.
Also not even close to true. If you join with a BACHELORS DEGREE but do not go through a specific commissioning program (Military Academy, OCS, ROTC, or Direct Commission), you enter as an E4. You fail
This post was edited on 8/1/12 at 2:02 pm
Posted on 8/1/12 at 1:57 pm to FincAg11
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Um, they don't. I'm not sure where you are getting that.
The U.S. Government does. Under Title 10, Section 2111, paragraph a, subparagraph f.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 1:58 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
He's talking about our fans in general. I rarely, if ever, hear our fans refer to A&M in that manner.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:02 pm to FincAg11
That's because our fans, by and large, don't know...and that's ok.
Anyone in uniform with an Aggie Ring, however, knows VERY well.
Anyone in uniform with an Aggie Ring, however, knows VERY well.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:14 pm to FincAg11
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Why do so many alumnus of your institution refer to A&M as a military school?
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Um, they don't. I'm not sure where you are getting that
I hear this frequently, lived in the DFW area for 18 years as a transplanted New Orleanian. I am also middle aged, maybe that has something to do with me hearing it from "so many". But I posed the question in order to get information, and that is all.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:15 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Also not even close to true. If you join with a BACHELORS DEGREE but do not go through a specific commissioning program (Military Academy, OCS, ROTC, or Direct Commission), you enter as an E4. You fail
Nope. If you have a college degree and join the military you are a commissioned officer. The degree can be from any college. You can have an assoicates or bachelors. It does not matter. You still are a commisoned officer.
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