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Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:17 pm to 03ki11er
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:17 pm to 03ki11er
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I've never heard anyone refer to it as a Military school. I've also never heard any ag refer to it as a Senior Military School even though it is so i'm not sure where you're hearing this.
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Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:19 pm to ctiger69
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Nope. If you have a college degree and join the military you are a commissioned officer. The degree can be from any college. You can have an assoicates or bachelors. It does not matter. You still are a commisoned officer.
When I was in the Army, with a bachelors and no ROTC, you would have to complete OCS to get your "butter bar" (2nd. Lt. commission). However, I haven't been in since the first gulf war, things may have changed.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:22 pm to aggressor
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aggressor
Thanks for the squared away answer, you and a few others were able to give me the info I was looking for.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:24 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Also not even close to true. If you join with a BACHELORS DEGREE but do not go through a specific commissioning program (Military Academy, OCS, ROTC, or Direct Commission), you enter as an E4. You fail
Army
"Requirements
To attend Officer Candidate School, you must be U.S. citizen and a college graduate, be at least 18 years of age at the time of regular Army enlistment and entered active duty or ship to training on or before your 29th birthday. Army Reserve, be at least 18 years of age at the time of enlistment and entered active duty or ship to training before your 35th birthday. (Age waivers will be granted for meritorious cases only.) High school seniors may also apply."
So I can go to college. Be in a frat and party for four years. Then receive my degree in General Studies. Then join the army and be a commisioned officer just as the Texas A&M Corp graduate who also just joined the army.
This post was edited on 8/1/12 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:28 pm to ctiger69
OCS looks like it is 12 weeks.
Do Texas A&M corps have to complete OCS after they graduate or is this something they can do while at Texas A&M?
Do Texas A&M corps have to complete OCS after they graduate or is this something they can do while at Texas A&M?
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:33 pm to ctiger69
There are only so many slots for officers. Most of those go to the sevice academies and SMCs. The ones that are left get fill with the path you are discribing. You may or may not have a slot. If you really want to be an officer, you have a better chance going through the sevice academies or SMCs.
A large portion of the people that attend SMCs that are wanting to join the military get their commision while still in college. There is also a lot of scholorships available to them.
A large portion of the people that attend SMCs that are wanting to join the military get their commision while still in college. There is also a lot of scholorships available to them.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:38 pm to ctiger69
ctiger,
A college degree is a pre-requisite to joining as an officer but it certainly doesn't guarantee you officer status. HUGE difference. You have to apply to be an officer and they look at many things. You have to be accepted and if you think you can do that by just being in a frat with a useless degree from a no name school you are delusional. Of course the standards vary based on the needs of the services, there have been times when commissions were extremely difficult to come by and others when they were less so.
Also each service branch has different standards. The Army is the most lenient as they are the largest branch with the most positions that don't require technical knowledge or high levels of education. The Air Force is the most picky (at least in terms of academics), the Air Force has the most jobs that are "civilian like" but they typically require technical skill or extensive training. The Marines are by far the most difficult OCS program, think Full Metal Jacket on steroids. You have to really earn a Marine Commission. The Navy is similar to the AF in terms of standards but they look for different things.
A college degree is a pre-requisite to joining as an officer but it certainly doesn't guarantee you officer status. HUGE difference. You have to apply to be an officer and they look at many things. You have to be accepted and if you think you can do that by just being in a frat with a useless degree from a no name school you are delusional. Of course the standards vary based on the needs of the services, there have been times when commissions were extremely difficult to come by and others when they were less so.
Also each service branch has different standards. The Army is the most lenient as they are the largest branch with the most positions that don't require technical knowledge or high levels of education. The Air Force is the most picky (at least in terms of academics), the Air Force has the most jobs that are "civilian like" but they typically require technical skill or extensive training. The Marines are by far the most difficult OCS program, think Full Metal Jacket on steroids. You have to really earn a Marine Commission. The Navy is similar to the AF in terms of standards but they look for different things.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:47 pm to ctiger69
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Nope. If you have a college degree and join the military you are a commissioned officer
Stating a wrong answer twice doesn't make it any less wrong.
Bachelors Degree + Join Military = E4
Bachelors Degree + Join Military + Score high enough GT to qualify for commissioning + Be under the age of 29 (27 for ROTC) + Complete necessary precommissioning requirements including security clearance eligibility and acceptance + not getting screened out by a review board= O1
This post was edited on 8/1/12 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:48 pm to ctiger69
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Do Texas A&M corps have to complete OCS after they graduate or is this something they can do while at Texas A&M?
Let me say this again because you didn't pay attention the first time:
Commissioning Sources are
- Military Academy
OR
- ROTC
OR
- OCS/PLC
OR
- Direct Commission
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:54 pm to TurDuken
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When I was in the Army, with a bachelors and no ROTC, you would have to complete OCS to get your "butter bar" (2nd. Lt. commission). However, I haven't been in since the first gulf war, things may have changed.
You would still have to have at least a GT of 110, meet height and weight standards, pass the APFT, and be approved by a review board (USAREC CG is the final approving authority). Not only that, but you would have to be under the age of 29.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:55 pm to ctiger69
If you are in ROTC you do not go to OTS. You go to training after your Sophomore year in the Summer and if you pass then you continue on for 2 more years of ROTC and are commissioned upon graduation and then activated based on needs of the service (it's not uncommon to have a wait time of several months after commissioning until actually getting your first assignment). Also after "camp" you get a small monthly stipend for your remaining time in college.
At A&M all Corps members take ROTC their first 2 years and then have this option to apply for a commission path. Some pass and some do not. Certainly going to A&M gives you an excellent chance of acceptance and an even better chance of getting a more prime slot (for instance pilot slots). If you have spent 2 years living in dorms and in a military style environment you obviously have a huge leg up on others. Also the "Aggie Network" is very powerful in the military and is probably second only to the Academies. Networking counts in the military just like in civilian life.
Many cadets of course don't go in the service but finish out their last 2 years in the Corps. All your real dues are paid in the first 2 years, Jrs and Srs live a very fun life in the Corps that would take too long to discuss here. Also there is a very strong bond that develops with the group of guys you came in with and it is very satisfying to make it through all 4 years. I was a guy that didn't take a commission. Back when I graduated the services were downsizing and though I could have gotten commissioned my prospects weren't appealing (I likely would have sat in a silo in North Dakota or the like) and after a lot of thought decided not to go that route. I graduated with 10 buddies from my outfit in the same class out of the original 21 that started our Freshman year. Of that group 4 went in the service and all made it to Lt Colonel or higher, one is almost certain to make General in the next couple of years. Of the 6 of us that didn't go all have had very successful careers and that time in the Corps was very helpful for preparing us for the working world. The Corps is a tremendous leadership laboratory that was incredibly valuable to me.
At A&M all Corps members take ROTC their first 2 years and then have this option to apply for a commission path. Some pass and some do not. Certainly going to A&M gives you an excellent chance of acceptance and an even better chance of getting a more prime slot (for instance pilot slots). If you have spent 2 years living in dorms and in a military style environment you obviously have a huge leg up on others. Also the "Aggie Network" is very powerful in the military and is probably second only to the Academies. Networking counts in the military just like in civilian life.
Many cadets of course don't go in the service but finish out their last 2 years in the Corps. All your real dues are paid in the first 2 years, Jrs and Srs live a very fun life in the Corps that would take too long to discuss here. Also there is a very strong bond that develops with the group of guys you came in with and it is very satisfying to make it through all 4 years. I was a guy that didn't take a commission. Back when I graduated the services were downsizing and though I could have gotten commissioned my prospects weren't appealing (I likely would have sat in a silo in North Dakota or the like) and after a lot of thought decided not to go that route. I graduated with 10 buddies from my outfit in the same class out of the original 21 that started our Freshman year. Of that group 4 went in the service and all made it to Lt Colonel or higher, one is almost certain to make General in the next couple of years. Of the 6 of us that didn't go all have had very successful careers and that time in the Corps was very helpful for preparing us for the working world. The Corps is a tremendous leadership laboratory that was incredibly valuable to me.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 2:58 pm to TurDuken
I have never referred to A&M as a "Military School" or heard anyone say that. I have heard and have referred to A&M as a school with a strong military tradition. Is that what you mean?
By the way, these are the "Senior Military Colleges."
By the way, these are the "Senior Military Colleges."
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In the United States, a senior military college (SMC) is one of six colleges that offer military Reserve Officers' Training Corps (ROTC) programs and are specifically recognized under 10 USC 2111a(f). The six senior military colleges are:
* North Georgia College & State University; Dahlonega, Georgia
* Norwich University; Northfield, Vermont
* Texas A&M University; College Station, Texas
* The Citadel; Charleston, South Carolina
* Virginia Military Institute; Lexington, Virginia
* Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University (Virginia Tech); Blacksburg, Virginia
Under U.S. law and U.S. Army regulations, there are three types of ROTC programs administered, each with a different element. In addition to ROTC at senior military colleges, there are ROTC programs at civilian colleges and at military junior colleges.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 3:15 pm to aggressor
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You go to training after your Sophomore year in the Summer and if you pass then you continue on for 2 more years of ROTC and are commissioned upon graduation and then activated based on needs of the service (it's not uncommon to have a wait time of several months after commissioning until actually getting your first assignment). Also after "camp" you get a small monthly stipend for your remaining time in college.
Slightly off.
Senior Military College cadets are exempt from the "basic camp" (between sophomore and junior year at Ft. Knox) requirement. "Advanced Camp" (Fort Lewis) is a precommissioning requirement that counts towards 1/3 of your overall commissioning OML score and occurs between your MS3 (junior) and MS4 (senior) year.
Your stipend actually takes effect as soon as you sign your scholarship paperwork (2, 3, or 4-year scholarship) or when you sign a contract (non-scholarship). Either way, the latest it takes effect is your junior year (MS3).
Posted on 8/1/12 at 3:25 pm to TurDuken
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Why do so many alumnus of your institution refer to A&M as a military school? West Point, U.S. Naval Academy, VMI, Citadel come to mind when I think of military academies, not A&M. I see A&M as a state school with a big ROTC program. My nephew graduated from aTm and he is the only one I know who doesn't do this, but then again liberal that he is, I don't see him wanting to identify with the military in any way.
Aggies don't refer to A&M as a military school.
It's a large public school with a military heritage.
HTH.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 3:28 pm to aggressor
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I graduated with 10 buddies from my outfit in the same class out of the original 21 that started our Freshman year. Of that group 4 went in the service and all made it to Lt Colonel or higher
Similar percentage here.
20 marched final review
8 commissioned
3 are still in (including me)
1 Army Major
1 Air Force Major
1 Navy Lieutenant Commander (instructor at USNA)
Posted on 8/1/12 at 3:30 pm to ctiger69
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60% are fake and will never be in the military. 100% Of these students wish they can have their college years back. They wished they partied like a normal student.
Why do they become fake after they graduate and decide not to enlist?
Do they contine to wear military uniforms or something?
Posted on 8/1/12 at 3:31 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
That's a change then. When I was in school you had to go to camp after your Sophomore year but I was also Air Force ROTC. They had all ROTC folks represented there, not just SROTC. Perhaps it is also different in the Army.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 3:39 pm to aggressor
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That's a change then. When I was in school you had to go to camp after your Sophomore year but I was also Air Force ROTC. They had all ROTC folks represented there, not just SROTC. Perhaps it is also different in the Army.
I can only speak with authority in regards to the Army requirements.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 3:50 pm to ctiger69
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ctiger69
Your ignorance is blinding.
Posted on 8/1/12 at 3:51 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
CTs suck. 5% of the student body and 99% of the embarrassment.
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