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Debunking the myth of BCS "matches two 'best' teams in the country" (semi-long)
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:04 pm
Everybody nationwide keeps saying the BCS was designed "to match the two best teams" in a winner-take all national title scenario.
I couldn't agree less.
The BCS was designed to prevent the recurring split titles that we frequently saw in the 1990's and to crown a single National Champion. How to do this? The BCS attempted (like the NCAA basketball tournament does) to match the two most deserving teams in a winner-take-all National Championship Game. Notice, I said DESERVING and not BEST. Because 'best' can only be decided if team 1 plays team 2.
If two teams do not play each other, like Oklahoma State and Alabama didn't, which team is "best" is a perception-based judgment. We'll never know who is "better" unless they actually played each other. All we have then is speculation. Sure, fans might say 'Bama's better, but didn't everybody think that before they lost to Utah in the Sugar Bowl?
Point being, if you put OSU and Bama's resumes side by side and remove the team names from the top, a majority of people would select OSU's as the more deserving resume (more wins over top 10 teams, over top 25 teams, conference champion, etc). The ONLY reason Alabama has made it to New Orleans is because voters could not get past the PERCEPTION of Alabama. They could not view the resumes un-named.
We have no way of deciding who would win between OSU and Alabama. All we have is a 12 game season to show who was more deserving. Who's "best" can only be proven on the field, NOT in the imagination of a voter or some preseason ranking.
The BCS was designed to get around these perceptions, but its voters failed the system.
Let the hate from Gumps commence
I couldn't agree less.
The BCS was designed to prevent the recurring split titles that we frequently saw in the 1990's and to crown a single National Champion. How to do this? The BCS attempted (like the NCAA basketball tournament does) to match the two most deserving teams in a winner-take-all National Championship Game. Notice, I said DESERVING and not BEST. Because 'best' can only be decided if team 1 plays team 2.
If two teams do not play each other, like Oklahoma State and Alabama didn't, which team is "best" is a perception-based judgment. We'll never know who is "better" unless they actually played each other. All we have then is speculation. Sure, fans might say 'Bama's better, but didn't everybody think that before they lost to Utah in the Sugar Bowl?
Point being, if you put OSU and Bama's resumes side by side and remove the team names from the top, a majority of people would select OSU's as the more deserving resume (more wins over top 10 teams, over top 25 teams, conference champion, etc). The ONLY reason Alabama has made it to New Orleans is because voters could not get past the PERCEPTION of Alabama. They could not view the resumes un-named.
We have no way of deciding who would win between OSU and Alabama. All we have is a 12 game season to show who was more deserving. Who's "best" can only be proven on the field, NOT in the imagination of a voter or some preseason ranking.
The BCS was designed to get around these perceptions, but its voters failed the system.
Let the hate from Gumps commence
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 5:16 pm
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Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:05 pm to blkhawktiger
Tldr
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:05 pm to blkhawktiger
The BCS website agrees with you..
oh and duck
oh and duck
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:06 pm to blkhawktiger
If the voters + computers determined that LSU is #1 and Bama is #2, so be it.
In the pre-BCS era, this rematch would not happen.
In the pre-BCS era, this rematch would not happen.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:06 pm to blkhawktiger
I didn't read it...but, IF it says "BCS final result was LSU #1 and Bama #2...so those two teams will meet in the BCS CG", then I agree.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:07 pm to blkhawktiger
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We have no way of deciding who would win between OSU and Alabama
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:09 pm to graychef
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If the voters + computers determined that LSU is #1 and Bama is #2, so be it.
In the pre-BCS era, this rematch would not happen.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:11 pm to Alahunter
Yea you're right. What am I thinking? I guess you were still the better team than Utah after you lost in the Sugar Bowl, huh? After all, its just Utah and you're ALABAMA.
Who's better is all about perception. Don't know unless you play.... which is fine until that perception decides the National Title game
Who's better is all about perception. Don't know unless you play.... which is fine until that perception decides the National Title game
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:14 pm to Alahunter
I like how you argued about who would win between OSU and Alabama, but didn't say anything about
if you put OSU and Bama's resumes side by side and remove the team names from the top, a majority of people would likely select OSU's as the more deserving resume
You Gumps are making progress
if you put OSU and Bama's resumes side by side and remove the team names from the top, a majority of people would likely select OSU's as the more deserving resume
You Gumps are making progress
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:14 pm to blkhawktiger
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Everybody nationwide keeps saying the BCS was designed "to match the two best teams" in a winner-take all national title scenario.
I couldn't agree less.
The BCS was designed to prevent the recurring split titles that we frequently saw in the 1990's and to crown a single National Champion. How to do this? The BCS attempted (like the NCAA basketball tournament does) to match the two most deserving teams in a winner-take-all National Championship Game. Notice, I said DESERVING and not BEST. Because 'best' can only be decided if team 1 plays team 2.
If two teams do not play each other, like Oklahoma State and Alabama didn't, which team is "best" is a perception-based judgment. We'll never know who is "better" unless they actually played each other. All we have then is speculation. Sure, fans might say 'Bama's better, but didn't everybody think that before they lost to Utah in the Sugar Bowl?
Point being, if you put OSU and Bama's resumes side by side and remove the team names from the top, a majority of people would likely select OSU's as the more deserving resume (more wins over top 10 teams, over top 25 teams, conference champion, etc). The ONLY reason Alabama has made it to New Orleans is because voters could not get past the PERCEPTION of Alabama. They could not view the resumes un-named.
We have no way of deciding who would win between OSU and Alabama. All we have is a 12 game season to show who was more deserving. Who's "best" can only be proven on the field, NOT in the imagination of a voter or some preseason ranking.
The BCS was designed to get around these perceptions, but its voters failed the system.
Let the hate from Gumps commence
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:20 pm to blkhawktiger
How do you perceive Alabama? Why does the nation perceive Alabama as the 2nd best team?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:24 pm to blkhawktiger
when lsu lost to UAB, which team was the better team?
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:25 pm to rtr1985
Why does the nation perceive Alabama as the 2nd best team?
Because of Alabama teams/players that played before any of the current players were born. It was "there's no way BAMA would lose to Oklahoma State"? Really? Their resume this year (which is what matters) says differently
Because of Alabama teams/players that played before any of the current players were born. It was "there's no way BAMA would lose to Oklahoma State"? Really? Their resume this year (which is what matters) says differently
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:25 pm to blkhawktiger
You really need to get over it.
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:27 pm to 2poop
when lsu lost to UAB, which team was the better team?
Uhhh, on the field that day, UAB was. You don't become the "better" team by losing. What else are you going to go off of? They played each other, fair and square, and UAB won.
Uhhh, on the field that day, UAB was. You don't become the "better" team by losing. What else are you going to go off of? They played each other, fair and square, and UAB won.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 5:29 pm
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:32 pm to blkhawktiger
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DESERVING and not BEST. Because 'best' can only be decided if team 1 plays team 2.
"Best" is always an opinion or argument that can never be "decided". The point is to try to crown a "Champion" which is not the same thing as "best".
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more wins over top 10 teams
Aren't Arkansas and Kansas St the only top 10 wins or either team?
Here's an "unnamed" breakdown of the top 6 wins of each team:
Team A
Best Win = 7 points @Home vs #10 team*
2nd best win = 24 points @Home vs #14 team
3rd best Win = 34 points @Home vs #19 team
4th Best Win = 21 Points Road vs Unranked 7-5 Bowl Team
5th Best Win = 12 Points Road vs 7-5 Bowl Team
6th Best Win = 1 Point Road vs 6-6 Bowl team*
TEAM B
Best Win = 24 points @Home vs #7 team
2nd best win = 16 points ROAD Win vs #23 team
3rd best Win = 28 pts ROAD Win vs 7-5 Bowl Team
4th Best Win = 28 pts ROAD Win vs 6-6 Bowl Team
5th Best Win = 17 pts ROAD Win vs 6-6 Bowl Team
6th Best Win = 34 Points @home vs 6-6 Bowl Team
If I look at these 2 resumes back to back, I'm not absolutely sure which is so clearly better to the point that only "perception" or conspiracy as I've read here as well was the root of ranking one over another.
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Let the hate from Gumps commence
If it's an hallelujah chorus you want, post this on Tiger Rant. However, I'm sure there'll be a lot of LSU fans pointing out the the same thing I am.
The decision was close cut except to most biased and so was the final vote / BCS standings. What the hell seems wrong with that?
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:34 pm to blkhawktiger
Debunking myths about Ok State's schedule
And yeah, it's bleacher report. Bite me.
And yeah, it's bleacher report. Bite me.
This post was edited on 12/7/11 at 5:35 pm
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:34 pm to blkhawktiger
Come on. You have to do better than a past Sugar Bowl if you want to make a point! Championships are for a SINGLE year and this year LSU is #1 and Bama is #2. Stop crying. Get a better schedule and a better team!
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:40 pm to Maggie in Georgia
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blkhawktiger
Posted on 12/7/11 at 5:40 pm to blkhawktiger
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if you put OSU and Bama's resumes side by side and remove the team names from the top, a majority of people would likely select OSU's as the more deserving resume
If you put University of Phoenix on a resume, then it is going to find the circular file.
If you put "lost to Iowa State" on a resume, then you're probably not going to make many championship games
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