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re: Why do we call terrorists cowards?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
I don't think it's inevitable. I think the next 50-100 years will be filled with more of the status quo in this arena.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:41 pm to Roger Klarvin
I'm going to try just one more:
A LIAR is someone who lies. Probably even a LOT. But, he doesn't lie every time he opens his mouth. That I can identify times when the dude is truthful. Hell, suppose I can demonstrate that he is truthful 65% of the time. Does THAT remove the "Liar" tag? Does that make the tag erroneous? No. Dude is a LIAR
Now. Just because I can show some "non-cowardly" aspects of these goat-arse-frickers...that does NOT render moot the point that I can show demonstrable, important methods that are COWARDLY. Thus, if a liar is a liar when he sometimes isn't lying...so, a coward is a coward even when he is not acting cowardly
A LIAR is someone who lies. Probably even a LOT. But, he doesn't lie every time he opens his mouth. That I can identify times when the dude is truthful. Hell, suppose I can demonstrate that he is truthful 65% of the time. Does THAT remove the "Liar" tag? Does that make the tag erroneous? No. Dude is a LIAR
Now. Just because I can show some "non-cowardly" aspects of these goat-arse-frickers...that does NOT render moot the point that I can show demonstrable, important methods that are COWARDLY. Thus, if a liar is a liar when he sometimes isn't lying...so, a coward is a coward even when he is not acting cowardly
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:02 pm to Roger Klarvin
We should call them criminals because thats what they are.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:06 pm to Roger Klarvin
What do you define as a terrorist?
I think you'd have a point if you were talking about insurgents or militants who were willing to lay it all out there when fighting an armed enemy (US Military).
But I think the real world classification of a "terrorist" per se is someone who targets unarmed/defenseless people. Think 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, etc.
Edited to add (though it should go without saying) the latter category is indisputably cowardly.
I think you'd have a point if you were talking about insurgents or militants who were willing to lay it all out there when fighting an armed enemy (US Military).
But I think the real world classification of a "terrorist" per se is someone who targets unarmed/defenseless people. Think 9/11, Charlie Hebdo, Timothy McVeigh, Eric Rudolph, etc.
Edited to add (though it should go without saying) the latter category is indisputably cowardly.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:10 am to Roger Klarvin
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Why do we call terrorists cowards?
Because instead of being man enough to actually fight the people they think are oppressing them, they make sneak attacks against the weak and innocent. Then, instead of facing the consequences of their actions, they either die in the attack on purpose (suicide, the coward's way out), or return to their villages to use the women and children there as human shields, hiding behind them like the cowards they are.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:13 am to Roger Klarvin
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intentionally obtuse
This phrase should probably be in all of your online profiles.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 9:21 am to Roger Klarvin
I agree that calling terrorists "cowards" is stupid. It is invalid by definition. You wouldn't say that Japanese Kamikazees were "cowards".
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:18 am to derSturm37
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I agree that calling terrorists "cowards" is stupid. It is invalid by definition. You wouldn't say that Japanese Kamikazees were "cowards".
The Kamikazes were in a bit of a different category than the terrorists. They targeted military targets and did so in marked planes.
However, they were subjected to intense and even tortuous physical and mental conditioning before undertaking their mission. I'm not sure that is a hallmark of a lack of cowardice.
Doing weird things that normal people won't do doesn't mean one isn't a coward. Many times it only means that one has been conditioned, either through one's own choices or through force, to arrive at the endpoint in question.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 10:29 am to the808bass
My grandpa, who died last year, was a WWII Marine. He had an issue with Kamikazees.
I remember the first time I watched the movie Independence Day. Near the end when the alcoholic cropduster dude uses his plane as a weapon (because he has no other) to fly up the arse of the enemy ship to destroy it. One of my first thoughts was of the Kamikazee.
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but there are some marked parallels between that movie and the plight of the Japanese in 1944/1945. (And I don't know that others have noticed it, though I'm sure that people in Japan have). We were that unstoppable force descending on their homeland. That they had started the war is notwithstanding. What that dude did in the movie was the right thing to do. Few if any who see it think, "Well that was suicide. He shouldn't have done it." He commits suicide to save humanity. I can totally dig what the Kamikazee did. Right or wrong they almost certainly believed that we were going to rape and plunder Japan to beyond recognition.
I remember the first time I watched the movie Independence Day. Near the end when the alcoholic cropduster dude uses his plane as a weapon (because he has no other) to fly up the arse of the enemy ship to destroy it. One of my first thoughts was of the Kamikazee.
I don't know if it was intentional or not, but there are some marked parallels between that movie and the plight of the Japanese in 1944/1945. (And I don't know that others have noticed it, though I'm sure that people in Japan have). We were that unstoppable force descending on their homeland. That they had started the war is notwithstanding. What that dude did in the movie was the right thing to do. Few if any who see it think, "Well that was suicide. He shouldn't have done it." He commits suicide to save humanity. I can totally dig what the Kamikazee did. Right or wrong they almost certainly believed that we were going to rape and plunder Japan to beyond recognition.
Posted on 3/20/15 at 11:01 am to derSturm37
As I read his mindset, we should fear ISIS more because of what its members believe in. That makes them strong/er. Correct? Sorry. Just because they believe it's morally ok to line up children & run them over with tanks, that does not make them any stronger to me. Or to bury children alive. Or to put innocent civilians in a locked barn & burn them alive. That makes them ........ ( use your own word/s) in my opinion, but definitely not more stronger.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 8:19 am to Keltic Tiger
I think calling them terrorist cowards is an intentional dismissal and negation perpetuated by elements of Western governments and media.
These goat lovers aren't the fringe minority. They operate with impunity in the ME as long as a host nation feels no threat. The labeling as COWARDS diminishes the threat. It implies that they are the exception rather than the norm. I once believed that but thousands upon thousands of people, in the Pan Arab world, celebrated in the open streetson 9/11 as we did as a country during VJ Day.
I get what klarvin is saying. May not be eloquent but the threat is beyond what any coward could muster.
These goat lovers aren't the fringe minority. They operate with impunity in the ME as long as a host nation feels no threat. The labeling as COWARDS diminishes the threat. It implies that they are the exception rather than the norm. I once believed that but thousands upon thousands of people, in the Pan Arab world, celebrated in the open streetson 9/11 as we did as a country during VJ Day.
I get what klarvin is saying. May not be eloquent but the threat is beyond what any coward could muster.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 8:39 am to Roger Klarvin
Because they target innocent civilians rather than confront military assets.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 8:44 am to the808bass
quote:I don't see why he would get fired for saying that.
“We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly,”
Posted on 3/21/15 at 10:37 am to kingbob
If that is the definition of cowardly, then just about every military force on the planet prior to the 17th century was cowardly. Until the English and French popularized "proper" war conduct, destroying civilian targets and demoralizing the opposition was just part of war.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 10:43 am to Keltic Tiger
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As I read his mindset, we should fear ISIS more because of what its members believe in. That makes them strong/er. Correct? Sorry. Just because they believe it's morally ok to line up children & run them over with tanks, that does not make them any stronger to me. Or to bury children alive. Or to put innocent civilians in a locked barn & burn them alive. That makes them ........ ( use your own word/s) in my opinion, but definitely not more stronger.
They are willing to do things civilized western society isn't. It is tough to fight an opponent who is willing to do whatever it takes. This was the concept behind dropping the atom bomb on Japan. The Japanese were willing to literally fight to the last enlisted man and it would have cost MILLIONS more lives. We had to show them that we had the power and willingness to do whatever it took, including killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians.
That makes them much stronger than a fringe group who fights by the rules.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 10:56 am to Roger Klarvin
I do think this is an interesting question that automatically gets dismissed because of the group you are talking about.
First off, I think the lot of these radical jihadi leader types are assholes and would not defend them. As many have pointed out, hiding behind/killing civilians is extremely cowardly.
Much like America though, the common foot soldier is the one caught in the middle for each sides' ideology. I absolutely think that many of the terrorists fighting are doing it for money with a side of religious duty. Now, I'm sure there are many other moving parts to that, but I noticed in Iraq the ones who planted IEDs, etc. just to put food on their table because there were no jobs. Many times those are the ones you see taking a JDAM to the forehead, but thats how desperate things were with no real jobs.
I think the claims that they're pussies because they won't fight the US head on are laughable. You're talking about a country (US) that spends more on defense spending than most countries GDP...I think it is pretty smart not to take that on. We also use drones and ride in up armored vehicles, wear body armor, etc. I think many of our service members are extremely brave and am just making a comparison...not denigrating our service members.
First off, I think the lot of these radical jihadi leader types are assholes and would not defend them. As many have pointed out, hiding behind/killing civilians is extremely cowardly.
Much like America though, the common foot soldier is the one caught in the middle for each sides' ideology. I absolutely think that many of the terrorists fighting are doing it for money with a side of religious duty. Now, I'm sure there are many other moving parts to that, but I noticed in Iraq the ones who planted IEDs, etc. just to put food on their table because there were no jobs. Many times those are the ones you see taking a JDAM to the forehead, but thats how desperate things were with no real jobs.
I think the claims that they're pussies because they won't fight the US head on are laughable. You're talking about a country (US) that spends more on defense spending than most countries GDP...I think it is pretty smart not to take that on. We also use drones and ride in up armored vehicles, wear body armor, etc. I think many of our service members are extremely brave and am just making a comparison...not denigrating our service members.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 2:34 pm to Roger Klarvin
I red something before that used terrorists as an example of the difference between a "good" man and someone who is good at being a man.
They aren't good men, because what they do is immoral and evil. They're good at being men because they act with characteristics considered masculine almost universally worldwide.
They aren't good men, because what they do is immoral and evil. They're good at being men because they act with characteristics considered masculine almost universally worldwide.
Posted on 3/21/15 at 3:27 pm to Dalfy15
Military speaking, objectives are different. We call them cowards for their brutality and the fact they won't fight us head on. They drag innocents into it unnecessary and wage war in a manner where we think they're cowards. Truth is, they know a straight head on fight we would crush them like a beer can so they rely on the absence of a conscience and psychological warfare to reach their objectives and weaken our resolve. Religion is their backbone and that shouldn't surprise us. Religion has been hand-stamped on countless wars in the histories of the world but it surprised us nevertheless because most religions in America are Christian based thus instilling us with a strong sense of morality that views their actions as barbaric and cowardly. They know what they're doing.
When they bomb a market, plant an IED, kidnap and kill, it seems senseless but there is usually an objective behind it whether it may be a show of power, a target from the west, or an ally to the west. It could be simply to punish....But it's usually never senseless to them. The sooner we can understand that reasoning, the better off we will be. That's why I commend George Bush for not wavering during the Middle east stuff. He understood this, nevermind that his administration did bungle up the process pretty badly. And people like Cindy Sheehan can go die in a fire. To leave them alone and thinking the world is gonna be fluffy bunnies is a huge mistake. Time will tell.
When they bomb a market, plant an IED, kidnap and kill, it seems senseless but there is usually an objective behind it whether it may be a show of power, a target from the west, or an ally to the west. It could be simply to punish....But it's usually never senseless to them. The sooner we can understand that reasoning, the better off we will be. That's why I commend George Bush for not wavering during the Middle east stuff. He understood this, nevermind that his administration did bungle up the process pretty badly. And people like Cindy Sheehan can go die in a fire. To leave them alone and thinking the world is gonna be fluffy bunnies is a huge mistake. Time will tell.
This post was edited on 3/21/15 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 3/21/15 at 3:32 pm to Roger Klarvin
They are brain-washed cowards
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