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re: Why do we call terrorists cowards?
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
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A coward doesnt follow through the way members of ISIS do.
Cowards rape women and children. Cowards line up people in ditches and shoot them in the back of the head.
Show me how they act when facing death. It will not be brave.
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Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:37 pm to the808bass
Where are you all getting bravery from?
Bravery isnt the absence of cowardice. Nobody is calling them brave. Im saying to call them cowards is incorrect.
Bravery isnt the absence of cowardice. Nobody is calling them brave. Im saying to call them cowards is incorrect.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:37 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Most of these guys are true blue believers. The run of the mill muslims dont join ISIS.
Actually a shite ton of "run of the mill" Muslims joined Daesh, just look at Bagdahdi's inner circle, half of them are Baathists and then there's the tribal support.
Daesh members seem to fall into two groups:
1. "True believers", these are the foreign fighters, suicide bombers and natives who have gone all out salafi/takfiri.
and
2. Fighters attracted to Daesh because of sectarian divisions that were aggravated by the Malaki and Assad governments. This group probably forms the largest portion of the people living in Daesh areas and are undoubtedly the ones that are fighting in the largest numbers in Tikrit and in the future Mosul.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:38 pm to Roger Klarvin
Cowardly is killing civilians who are just going about their business.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Bill Maher go fired for saying we brought 9/11 on ourselves by bein clwards and launching missles at the ME. Hardly the same thing, but you knew that
Incorrect.
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Last year, on the first episode of his “Politically Incorrect” show since the Sept. 11 attacks, he infamously compared the bravery of American politicians with that of al-Qaida terrorists. “We have been the cowards, lobbing cruise missiles from 2,000 miles away. That’s cowardly,” Maher said on the Sept. 17 episode. “Staying in the airplane when it hits the building, say what you want about it, it’s not cowardly.”
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:39 pm to the808bass
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Cowards rape women and children. Cowards line up people in ditches and shoot them in the back of the head.
No e of these examples meet the definition of cowardice. They only meet the definition of illegal and/or wrong, depending on where they occur.
A coward is someone unwilling to face danger. A rapist can be a coward, but not because he rapes.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:41 pm to the808bass
He got fired for the first part of the quote. Many have said the second part and not been fired.
Its just an understanding of the word that leads one to conclude they arent cowards. Calling America cowardly in juxtaposition to them is what got him the boot.
Its just an understanding of the word that leads one to conclude they arent cowards. Calling America cowardly in juxtaposition to them is what got him the boot.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:42 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Where are you all getting bravery from? Bravery isnt the absence of cowardice. Nobody is calling them brave. Im saying to call them cowards is incorrect.
Cowardice is an inability to do the right thing. It's where fear or self-concern keeps a person from doing what is good. "A failure of character in the face of challenge." That's exactly what describes them.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Posted by Roger Klarvin He got fired for the first part of the quote. Many have said the second part and not been fired. Its just an understanding of the word that leads one to conclude they arent cowards. Calling America cowardly in juxtaposition to them is what got him the boot.
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I think we as a spciety just cant bring ourselves to consider the possibility that these people are more invested in a cause than most of us are. Its much easier to dismiss them as cowards than to face the reality that we are facing an ideology in which the believers are moe devoated to than we are to our beliefs and way of life.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:45 pm to the808bass
No it isnt. Cowardice is being excessively afraid of enduring dangerous or unpleasang things to the point where you dont. Thats all.
Someone who watches a woman being raped and who does nothing is a coward, not the rapist. The rapist is just a criminal.
Someone who watches a woman being raped and who does nothing is a coward, not the rapist. The rapist is just a criminal.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:49 pm to the808bass
You seem to have difficulty with understanding what words mean.
Saying ISIS is more dedicated is not calling us cowards. You are playing with words and sentences in the hopes that you dont have to make an actual argument, because everything you have posted thus far is objectively false and can be proven so by anyone with a dictionary.
Your world view seems largely based on a poor understanding of the english language.
Saying ISIS is more dedicated is not calling us cowards. You are playing with words and sentences in the hopes that you dont have to make an actual argument, because everything you have posted thus far is objectively false and can be proven so by anyone with a dictionary.
Your world view seems largely based on a poor understanding of the english language.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Im saying to call them cowards is incorrect.
What a strange, silly cause you chose to take up.
I've heard people call them "sub-human". I never felt compelled to say "Actually, if we were to check them out genetically, we'd find...blah blah blah.."
Seriously. What gives? Why do you CARE that someone calls these assholes "cowards" or "dickheads" or anything else?
Its just a weird cause. And, it is not even a 'fact based' argument. It is strictly opinion. If the opinion of one poster is that they are cowards....I cannot even imagine the inkling to reply with some screed intent upon 'setting that poster straight'.
just silliness
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
They desire to die, and kill people in the process. Cowards.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:51 pm to Roger Klarvin
You're playing "terrorists" up as if they're all suicide bombers that are willing to give their lives. Those people are a really small segment of the groups that we think of as "terrorists". They're used as much for the catastrophic effects of their attacks as they are for their propaganda value.
They want you to think that they're all committed enough to give their lives that way when in actuality only a few of them are and you're eating it all up.
Most terrorists are cowards. They hit and then they run and usually their victims are the innocent and defenseless. When faced with a real challenge they often crumble.
I know you're a smart guy so I think you must be trolling. There's no way you'd so easily accept their narrative.
They want you to think that they're all committed enough to give their lives that way when in actuality only a few of them are and you're eating it all up.
Most terrorists are cowards. They hit and then they run and usually their victims are the innocent and defenseless. When faced with a real challenge they often crumble.
I know you're a smart guy so I think you must be trolling. There's no way you'd so easily accept their narrative.
This post was edited on 3/19/15 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:53 pm to Roger Klarvin
You're completely removing a moral component from cowardice. I disagree with that definition.
A gang banger running at the police shooting at them is "brave" in your definition. He is doing something which requires a lack of fear. I don't think that fear is the only characteristic which defines a coward.
A gang banger running at the police shooting at them is "brave" in your definition. He is doing something which requires a lack of fear. I don't think that fear is the only characteristic which defines a coward.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
You said Maher got fired for comparing them to America yet you did the same thing in this thread and then said you didn't.
You dicked this argument up, Roger. It's ok. Happens to the best of us. Chalk it up as a lesson learned.
You dicked this argument up, Roger. It's ok. Happens to the best of us. Chalk it up as a lesson learned.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:56 pm to BlackHelicopterPilot
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Im saying to call them cowards is incorrect.
What a strange, silly cause you chose to take up.
I've heard people call them "sub-human". I never felt compelled to say "Actually, if we were to check them out genetically, we'd find...blah blah blah.."
Seriously. What gives? Why do you CARE that someone calls these assholes "cowards" or "dickheads" or anything else?
Its just a weird cause. And, it is not even a 'fact based' argument. It is strictly opinion. If the opinion of one poster is that they are cowards....I cannot even imagine the inkling to reply with some screed intent upon 'setting that poster straight'.
just silliness
Dismissing cowards is easy. Americans have largely dismissed radical Islam as a problem for the ME.
If we actually believed they werent cowards, but dedicated members of an ideology that cant be easily killed with threats of military force, then we would be forced to see them for what they are : A long term threat to western civilization.
Dusmissing them as weak cowards who will fold when faced with death and destruction is dangerous to society. I care because thinking of them as cowards is dangerously ignorant.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:56 pm to Roger Klarvin
That's how he claims it happened. 'tis a lie. I knew that.
Posted on 3/19/15 at 6:59 pm to the808bass
There isnt an inherant moral component, and even if there was morality is relative. Under your definition, a Muslim who believes the right thing to do is kill non-Muslims then they cant be a coward. Only someone doing something they thought to be wrong would be a coward.
You're tripping over your own feet now.
You're tripping over your own feet now.
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