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re: Who is your favorite President? Why? Who is your least favorite President? Why?

Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:49 am to
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19210 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 11:49 am to
I'm breaking mine down into modern and pre 1900s

Favorite old time: Jefferson. Brilliant mind, IMO. Second would be Jackson. He was just...salty.
Least old time: honest Abe himself. I don't subscribe to the ends justify the means, and that man shat upon the constitution whilst trying to preserve a union that was meant to be dissolved if parties saw fit. Suspension of habeus corpus. Martial law. Just a long list of tyrannical motions. There had to be a better way and it astounds me he wasn't ousted from office.

Modern favorite: Truman. Made one of the most difficult decisions in all of mankind, IMO.
Least: It was Carter but I always have thought of him as a very great man but inept as a Preaident. It is Obama for me. way too much I fundamentally disagree with him on most topics.
Posted by JustGetItRight
Member since Jan 2012
15712 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:00 pm to
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I think the prevailing thinking at the time even with Lincoln, was not the equality of the races, but the tyranny of slavery was evil.


This is the right answer. It doesn't make Lincoln a bad person and his views most definitely evolved to go so far as to publicly support basic equality for anyone who served in the Union army but to say he was secretly a civil right pioneer is painting him with very rose colored glasses. Nothing in the historical record supports that notion.

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Immediately after stating that, he said that it was not realistic. "But a moment's reflection would convince me, that whatever of high hope...execution is impossible." Lincoln did discuss colonization multiple times, but it obviously never happened.


I don't argue against any of this. My point was to simply refute the notion that Lincoln didn't consider it a serious option when there's ample evidence to the contrary.

Again, considering that option doesn't make him bad. It just makes him a product of his time. As someone else said, he did a lot of things that were clearly unconstitutional too but in doing so he saved the United States as we know it which IMO places him second to Washington on the list of greatest presidents.

I just prefer to see him as he really was rather than an idealized, politically correct image
Posted by Jobu93
Cypress TX
Member since Sep 2011
19210 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 12:03 pm to
Pre Lincoln it was THESE United States. Post Lincoln became THE United States.

It's a distinction that is overlooked and a very important one IMO.
Posted by Reservoir dawg
Member since Oct 2013
14104 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 3:22 pm to
Obama is the most dangerous president in history.
Posted by BigOrangeBri
Nashville- 4th & 19
Member since Jul 2012
12280 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 3:44 pm to
Favorite: Obama- because he's half black. #blacklivesmatter

Least Favorite: Obama- because he's half white. #whiteprivilege.
This post was edited on 3/18/15 at 3:45 pm
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61661 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 7:14 pm to
Fav - Reagan

Least - Current
Posted by BarberitosDawg
Lee County Florida across causeway
Member since Oct 2013
9914 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 7:18 pm to
Grant!
Cant get enough of him....
Posted by Landmass
Member since Jun 2013
18134 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 7:38 pm to
Lincoln is responsible for the deaths of more Americans than all of the others combined.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
40002 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 9:23 pm to
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No he actually did not. I think he visited his ranch less than 5 times ever.

That's exactly the life I wanted.
Posted by MIZ_COU
I'm right here
Member since Oct 2013
13771 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:03 pm to
Most - Washington

Least - Cheney
Posted by Robert Goulet
Member since Jan 2013
9999 posts
Posted on 3/18/15 at 10:20 pm to
Totes faves: Andy Jackson because he said frick the fed and would duel mother frickers like it was his job. I would've loved to see what Kennedy would've done.

Least: LBJ and an honorable mention for Clinton because he was shite and gets credited now as this awesome president, mainly because he got brain from a fat chick. I did that as a 15 year old and nobody thought I was some supreme being.
Posted by Volatile
Tennessee
Member since Apr 2014
5472 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 1:46 am to
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Totes faves: Andy Jackson because he said frick the fed and would duel mother frickers like it was his job. I would've loved to see what Kennedy would've done.


Trail of Tears and horrendous treatment of Native Americans is a gigantic badge of dishonor though.
Posted by dead money
kyle, tx
Member since Feb 2014
1391 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 4:17 am to
Most: Ronald Reagan, FDR

Least: Obama, Jimmy Carter

Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 5:48 am to
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Fav - Reagan

Least - Current


Lanier gets the Pavoloco seal of approval.

Posted by Pavoloco83
Acworth Ga. too many damn dawgs
Member since Nov 2013
15347 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 5:49 am to
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Trail of Tears and horrendous treatment of Native Americans is a gigantic badge of dishonor though.


This is true, but the Indians were being a pain the arse at the time and Andy didnt brook any bullshite.
Posted by scrooster
Resident Ethicist
Member since Jul 2012
37633 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 7:11 am to
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Fav - Reagan

Least - Current



Exactly ... which most likely puts you in the 50-65 age group.

You failed to include the "why" though?

May I .... ?

Reagan ... because he knew how to work with congress, particularly Tip O'Neal. He had a great sense of humor. You never saw him angry - but he was decisive, admired by most and feared by many. He brought a lot of pride back to the country after the Nixon-Carter years. He was known as the Great Communicator and he also had a huge left wing following who voted for him - we called those crossover voters the "Reagan Democrats." The country was unified under Reagan and thus a lot of good things got done, a lot was accomplished. The country rebounded and thrived. Life was good.

Obama ... well, if his lips are moving he's lying. https://obamalies.net/list-of-lies He's a pathological racist and liar. He has been, by far, the most divisive race-baiting, communist, socialist, destructive POTUS in the history of these United States. We are no longer the United States - we are at political, social, cultural war with one another. Under Obama and his cabinet and his AG this country has suffered more internal strife and destruction, both fiscally and structurally, than was comparatively caused prior-to, during and after The Civil War. This country might never recover ... probably will not. We absolutely hate each other. And now, to boot, we're laughed at around the globe. Other leaders laugh at this idiot in charge of us. He's a joke. No one respects this country anymore. Our system of government, our Constitution, is no longer respected, our form of government, our Republic, is a failed experiment in the eyes of the rest of the world. We're a huge joke of a nation these days ... completely and 100% thanks to Obama and his cronies. I never thought anyone could be worse than was Carter ... but Obama has not only exceeded Carter's low mark, he's far surpassed it - he's set the new standard for shittiness the likes of which is likely to never be seen again.

To top it all off ... did I mention what a pathological lying piece of shite this guy is - or what a narcissistic, hubristic, megalomaniacal dictator this guy has been with the help of his far left wing liberal progressive socialist communist fricktard friends?





Posted by 5thTiger
Member since Nov 2014
7996 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 8:57 am to
Tell us how you really feel

Remember, a president is only as good as the congress he works with.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 9:44 am to
Least favorite is probably a tie between Jefferson, Obama, and Carter.

Jefferson was a great writer and did a lot to help found the nation, but he was an awful president. His complete disregard for the northeast and American shipping or industry helped start us down the path toward civil war. He was a great political thinker, but aside from accepting napoleon's offer of Louisiana, had no great accomplishments as president, other than nearly destroying the nation's industrial heartland.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
69908 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:05 am to
Favorite : Either Washington or Jackson


Least Favorite : Either Carter or his illegitimate lying big eared motherfricker son Barack Hussein Milhouse Mao Stalin Super Dickface Obama.



Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28895 posts
Posted on 3/19/15 at 10:18 am to
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Remember, a president is only as good as the congress he works with.



that's pretty funny because Bush was well liked with a splitish/conservative congress his first term, but hated with a Dem congress in his second.

i would wager the hate mongering on Obama will go down in his lame duck years for the most part with a conservative congress.

obviously i view that from a conservative lense, so take from it what you will. I honestly do not like to see the 3 legislative branches controlled by 1 party at any point. Sometimes lack of gridlock creates bad legislature because one party thinks it can get anything through (Obamacare) even though it's bad legislation.

Personally i like a 2-1 split for the conservatives (rep pres, rep senate, dem HOR,) but if it has to go the other way i'd like a dem pres, rep senate, dem HOR.
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