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re: What do people get out of going to church on Easter once a year?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:35 pm to Roger Klarvin
quote:Yes, God demands us to "turn the other cheek" because only God has the authority to judge and condemn that person. We should not seek retaliation because that is God's job (to punish the wicked), not ours. I have no problem with God being able to do some things that we (His creation) are allowed/supposed to do. That's the very nature of the creator/creature distinction.
Actually, thats the kind of love God demands from us in the bible. He requires us to turn the other cheek and pray for those who spit on us (figuratively of course).
To then turn around and punch us in the face for eternity for spiting on him seems a bit hypocritical.
quote:I know there are many Christians who disagree with this view, but they would also disagree with the scripture which says pretty much the exact same thing: we are not God; we are God's creation, and God can do with us as He wills.
You have a very sick and twisted view of the world, so much so that even most christians would reprimand you for saying something like this.
What a complete monster of a being you worship. I honestly couldnt get up every morning if I believed this.
But what you are forgetting is that though God has every right to "slaughter" every single one of us, He chooses not to. Instead, He sent His only Son to die a death He did not deserve so that we who deserve death should not receive it, but live eternally. There are two sides to the coin of God, but you only want to focus on one side in an effort to dismiss Him entirely. You are actually a good case study for the depravity of man and the enmity that man has against God, just as the Bible states. But I suppose we all are.
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:43 pm to FooManChoo
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What sort of "proof" are you looking for? I'm basing my argument off of the Biblical view of God and man and our relationship to one another. If you'd like me to give you scripture references to support my view, I can.
But why do you expect others to just take your word for it? God needs to back up what his book says. I was a christian for years, I can quote scripture with the best of them. Using the bible to prove the bible is nonsense.
If I saw someone call upon the name of God and part a large body of water in two, I'll believe in whatever that God's holy text says instantly. Thats all it would take. I need to see evidence of this being's existence and power. I need an unambiguous, openly visible sign directly from him when called upon so I know its him.
Or he could just show up right this second and tell me himself. That works too.
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I'm not sure what "real world evidence" you are talking about. Everyone sins. Everyone is selfish to some degree. Everyone acts in ways that are contrary to the character of God (as revealed in the Bible). So therefore, everyone is a proof case on the sinfulness of mankind as proclaimed in the Bible. Just because not everyone is as bad as they could be doesn't prove they are not bad (according to God's standard).
Everyone does bad things, why call it sin? Why is killing another human evil but a lion killing all the infants of a neighboring clan just nature? What evidence is there that we arent just really intelligent animals?
Nonbelievers also do good things, but the bible says their works amount to nothing.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:44 pm to FooManChoo
Foomanchoo
That fact does seem to get overlooked. God has every right to annihilate us but he chose not to.
That fact does seem to get overlooked. God has every right to annihilate us but he chose not to.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:45 pm to FooManChoo
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I know there are many Christians who disagree with this view, but they would also disagree with the scripture which says pretty much the exact same thing: we are not God; we are God's creation, and God can do with us as He wills.
We didnt create cattle, we domesticated them. Cattle arent our self proclaimed special creation. Cattle arent sentient beings. Cattle dont go to cattle hell when we kill the,.
Our relationship to God is nothing like our relationship to cattle if God exists. You worship a God that creates people solely to punish them forever.
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But what you are forgetting is that though God has every right to "slaughter" every single one of us, He chooses not to. Instead, He sent His only Son to die a death He did not deserve so that we who deserve death should not receive it, but live eternally. There are two sides to the coin of God, but you only want to focus on one side in an effort to dismiss Him entirely. You are actually a good case study for the depravity of man and the enmity that man has against God, just as the Bible states. But I suppose we all are.
Every religious text in the world says there will be fools who dont believe it, yet you arent Hindu or Islamic. Of course the bible says we are depraved and need a savior, thats rhe whole point. Of course it says the nonbelievers have supressed a knowledge of the truth, what else is it supposed to says?
"Please believe this book and not those pesky nonbelievers, they've got some pretty good points and can be persuasive I know"
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:46 pm to Mattwells90
Lol so now the argument is we are just smart animals. Ok
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:51 pm to Mattwells90
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Lol so now the argument is we are just smart animals. Ok
Why is that funny?
Our neocortex and frontal lobes are larger, but we're no more "special" than the creatures we evolved from. We arent even the best at most things that we do. Other animals can run faster, jump higher, fly, breathe underwater, live in boiling water, regulate their metabolism better, see better, hear better, smell better, etc.
We are the way we are because evolved this way. We think we 're special only because we have the capacity to do so. Try and take on a chimp in open combat and you'll quickly find our how special nature thinks you are.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:53 pm to Mattwells90
I will agree it seems contradictory for god to spend so much effort in saving a persons soul if he already know they're going to deny him and go to hell. This is dependent on an idea that god is fair.
We know he is more interested in righteousness than human "fairness"
Was it fair of him to subject jesus to an extremely painful and undeserved death? Nope. But it fit into the plan and was necessary.
We know he is more interested in righteousness than human "fairness"
Was it fair of him to subject jesus to an extremely painful and undeserved death? Nope. But it fit into the plan and was necessary.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:55 pm to Mattwells90
Gosh I really don't have the energy for an evolution debate.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:56 pm to Mattwells90
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Was it fair of him to subject jesus to an extremely painful and undeserved death? Nope. But it fit into the plan and was necessary.
Well this is a fairy tale, so none of it was necessary.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:57 pm to Mattwells90
We're at the top of the food chain for a reason. We have brains which are much more valuable and deadly than brute force.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:57 pm to Mattwells90
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Gosh I really don't have the energy for an evolution debate.
Good thing there is no debate them
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:58 pm to Roger Klarvin
Sigh: on that note I'm going to work.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:00 pm to Mattwells90
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We're at the top of the food chain for a reason. We have brains which are much more valuable and deadly than brute force.
We arent at the top of the food chain, we've simply removed the food chain altogether with technology. For most of our existence, we were hunted by other creatures just as we hunted them.
They are more valuable in the environment we evolved in yes, thats the point of natural selection. They are not inherently more valuable, though. Our bigger brain wont help us survive at the bottom of the ocean, where millions of species thrive.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:01 pm to Mattwells90
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Was it fair of him to subject jesus to an extremely painful and undeserved death? Nope. But it fit into the plan and was necessary.
Technically, Jesus is God. So God really killed himself if you think about it for more than a minute.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:03 pm to Mattwells90
Yeah, prob time to bail out for me too
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
wmr, my update is posted if you're curious
Posted on 4/21/14 at 2:18 pm to Roger Klarvin
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There is literally zero evidence that anything like this ever happened.
Just as their is no evidence of Jesus resurrecting. I'm not trying to hate or pouring out my opinions of Christianity unless it's positive, so be nice fellow ag
Edit: just stating the above to prove my point.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:00 pm to CheeseburgerEddie
It is. He doesn't need our worship or praise at church. It is important though that we assemble with other believers to do those things in order to support and encourage one another's faith. Some of the most true Christians I know don't attend Sunday services on the reg.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:20 pm to diddydirtyAubie
they don't have night mass
Posted on 4/21/14 at 3:44 pm to Roger Klarvin
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First, I cant imagine going through life worshipping a god who you believe will send almost everyone, including half his own followers, to hell. Second, doesnt it get old being told by old men what is and is not the correct way to interpret your bible?
Lots of false assumptions and bad theology
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