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re: Video: Bama students pulled from apt, tazed, and beaten by Tuscaloosa PD
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
take it with a grain of salt... Taken from reddit. this was tweeted out by a guy that knew someone in the room
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:44 pm to JustGetItRight
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As to the 'how to avoid' part, no it isn't too much to ask your law enforcement officers to behave in a professional and legal fashion. It should be expected but just as in all professions there are those that simply aren't going to do it, are having a bad day, misread the situation, or fall into one of a myriad of circumstances that can trigger an incident.
Well said. I don't think police are any different than teachers, bankers, cooks, etc.
Some are great, some are incompetent, a small percent are truly malicious.
Our country is struggling right now because it seems like you have to say police are pigs or police are heros. They're neither. They are guys that applied for a job and the percent that are good at their job and terrible at their job is about the same as most professions.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:49 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
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They are guys that applied for a job and the percent that are good at their job and terrible at their job is about the same as most professions.
Well you should expect better when you arm them and send them out to interact with the public.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:06 pm to JustGetItRight
frick you pig. frick those pigs. they need to be fired and work at taco bell.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:06 pm to Dire Wolf
Damn, that's so messed up that they beat the girl too. You can see them throw her to the ground at the end of her video but it cuts out after that.
If that story is true, when the cop just walked in I would have called 911 on him and tried to get an explanation from somebody level headed. If he was truly being as hostile without being provoked like they say then I might have even reported it as a home invasion when they asked what was the emergency.
If that story is true, when the cop just walked in I would have called 911 on him and tried to get an explanation from somebody level headed. If he was truly being as hostile without being provoked like they say then I might have even reported it as a home invasion when they asked what was the emergency.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:18 pm to BowlJackson
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If that story is true
At least one part of it appears to be refuted by the video. The first guy doesn't seem to have been tased in the apartment.
That's not to imply that the person sending the message is trying to mislead. It was a very chaotic scene, which will often lead to mistakes in recounting the sequence of events.
There's lots of video and hopefully the officers had body cams to show the entire event. Between the videos and any 911 logs, this one won't take long to figure out.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:21 pm to JustGetItRight
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That's not to imply that the person sending the message is trying to mislead. It was a very chaotic scene, which will often lead to mistakes in recounting the sequence of events.
I would be bet he pretty heated when sent that text so I can see how that 3-4 seconds would get mixed up.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:30 pm to pvilleguru
From the snippets.. .it seems the first officer escalated the situation and didn't keep his composure very well.
Once the magical words, you're under arrest, came out though, the student should have complied. That isn't the time or place to argue anymore and he would have had a chance to make his case in court.
Once the magical words, you're under arrest, came out though, the student should have complied. That isn't the time or place to argue anymore and he would have had a chance to make his case in court.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:32 pm to JustGetItRight
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At least one part of it appears to be refuted by the video. The first guy doesn't seem to have been tased in the apartment.
Watching the cellphone video it looks like he gets a few thousand volts to the side when the officer dives in at him before he becomes complaint and goes outside where he's then tasered again and beaten.
I agree that once the cop said he was under arrest they should've backed off and let the courts handle it, but the charge for arresting him seemed sketchy at best, if not entirely bullshite.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:34 pm to Alahunter
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From the snippets.. .it seems the first officer escalated the situation and didn't keep his composure very well.
him leaping into the house is the biggest reason in escalated to what it did. If the other cops get there before he starts bashing heads, none if this is likely to happen. When he jumps into the doorway he gave the other officers no other option. Even if he is cleared of everything he should be fired for sucking at his job.
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words, you're under arrest, came out though, the student should have complied. That isn't the time or place to argue anymore and he would have had a chance to make his case in court.
I don't think its ridiculous to ask why you are getting pulled out of your house at 3am
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:39 pm to Dire Wolf
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I don't think its ridiculous to ask why you are getting pulled out of your house at 3am
You will never....let me repeat.. NEVER, come out on the positive side at that moment in time. If the arrest and actions are unjustified, you will have your chance in court and then a chance to file a civil suit if merited. But trying to argue and defy an officer when they have stated you are under arrest, will result in bad juju every single time.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:41 pm to Alahunter
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You will never....let me repeat.. NEVER, come out on the positive side at that moment in time. If the arrest and actions are unjustified, you will have your chance in court and then a chance to file a civil suit if merited. But trying to argue and defy an officer when they have stated you are under arrest, will result in bad juju every single time.
I know that is how it is but that is ridiculous. We need a better class of cop
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:43 pm to Dire Wolf
Cops are reflective of society as a whole. In who we are and what we allow. Last couple of elections we as a people have stated that the feeling of security is more important than freedom. This and other incidents like this, is one of the end results.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 1:59 pm to Alahunter
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Watching the cellphone video it looks like he gets a few thousand volts to the side when the officer dives in at him before he becomes complaint and goes outside where he's then tasered again and beaten.
I don't think so. From the video shot outside, none of the 3 officers that enter the apartment ever have a taser or even handcuffs in their hands when they enter or exit the apartment. The one without a vest is going for either his baton or cuffs as he enters, but never appears to draw anything. The others don't even reach for anything.
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From the snippets.. .it seems the first officer escalated the situation and didn't keep his composure very well.
That's why it would be nice to see more context. From the point the videos starts he goes right into respect my authoritah mode, but the videos don't start until the guy's arm is already up and I think the officer's got hold of his hand. What happened to get things to that point would go a long way towards answering the question of which party was most out of line.
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You will never....let me repeat.. NEVER, come out on the positive side at that moment in time. If the arrest and actions are unjustified, you will have your chance in court and then a chance to file a civil suit if merited. But trying to argue and defy an officer when they have stated you are under arrest, will result in bad juju every single time.
I am constantly amazed that so many people can't grasp this simple concept.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:04 pm to JustGetItRight
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I am constantly amazed that so many people can't grasp this simple concept.
Cops lie. Sorry, if I know I haven't violated a law, I'm not doing whatever the officer tells me to do and taking my chances in court. I'll stand up for myself in a respectful manner, but I'm not just going to comply and hope for the best. There are scores of innocent people in jail right now.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:05 pm to The Spleen
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Cops lie. Sorry, if I know I haven't violated a law, I'm not doing whatever the officer tells me to do and taking my chances in court. I'll stand up for myself in a respectful manner, but I'm not just going to comply and hope for the best. There are scores of innocent people in jail right now.
If you don't comply, you'll get more charges, and those may well stick.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:12 pm to Dire Wolf
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I know that is how it is but that is ridiculous. We need a better class of cop
100% Agree.
All of this was over a simple noise complaint. Its not like the cops were called in because of gunshots.
I'm usually 100% on the side of LEO but this notion that cops can just waltz in at anytime due to some technicality and that people should just accept it pisses me off.
Again, the first cop in this video should be thrown off the force. Doesn't even deserve to be a mall cop.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:15 pm to FairhopeTider
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All of this was over a simple noise complaint
Tuscaloosa police has been doing this at least since the mid-90's when I was a student there. It's almost uncanny how similar this video is to what I experienced, minus the tazers. It's SOP to treat noise complaints as a fishing expedition to find other violations - underage drinking being the most common.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:19 pm to The Spleen
Aaron Suttles Retweeted
Stephanie Taylor ?@TNews_Steph · 1m1 minute ago
Three Tuscaloosa Police officers are on administrative leave after videos of forcible student arrests posted online.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 2:32 pm to The Spleen
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Sorry, if I know I haven't violated a law, I'm not doing whatever the officer tells me to do and taking my chances in court. I'll stand up for myself in a respectful manner, but I'm not just going to comply and hope for the best. There are scores of innocent people in jail right now.
Following this path is absolutely the one thing you can do to ensure that you join those innocent people in jail.
If this guy had simply stepped outside as the one rational person (who was inside the apartment) on both sides of that cluster kept yelling for him to do, he'd have been arrested for a misdemeanor and bonded out within the hour. With a ton of witnesses and multiple videos, he would have very likely been acquitted.
Now he's spent the entire night in jail, spent a lot more on bail, been tased, and got his arse beat and to top it all off, he is 100% guilty of resisting arrest. The DA may drop the charge because of the beatdown, but the guy is guilty of that charge.
Acting like the adult even if the officer isn't is truly the ONLY winning choice in these situations.
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