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Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:43 pm to Prof
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:43 pm to Prof
And I don't think I'm a poo poo head 
but I have served on one of the longest running grand juries in the history of my state with 12 of my fellow citizens. The people on the grand jury take it very seriously because they know if they make a mistake a criminal could go free or an innocent person could go to jail.
but I have served on one of the longest running grand juries in the history of my state with 12 of my fellow citizens. The people on the grand jury take it very seriously because they know if they make a mistake a criminal could go free or an innocent person could go to jail.
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:44 pm to Prof
You're not a law professor, are you?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:47 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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You're not a law professor, are you?
No but I've been to law school (decided to take courses at the law school when I was in grad school because I could and I'm a freaking nerd) and know several of our professors. I know Instapundit personally.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:50 pm to Old Sarge
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And I don't think I'm a poo poo head but I have served on one of the longest running grand juries in the history of my state with 12 of my fellow citizens. The people on the grand jury take it very seriously because they know if they make a mistake a criminal could go free or an innocent person could go to jail.
Well if you shot my imaginary dog you gotta admit that would be pretty poo-poo headed.
I did use that silly term intentionally because I know this is a charged subject and wanted you to understand I'm not angry/trying to be a dick to you. We're just going to have to disagree about grand juries as I think we're both fairly well dug in on this one.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:59 pm to Prof
It's all good, I want the world to be a better place and I want injustices eliminated too.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:02 pm to Old Sarge
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It's all good, I want the world to be a better place and I want injustices eliminated too.
See if only America could be grown up enough to have the conversation we just had. So much would be solved. *sigh*
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:09 pm to Prof
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Indictments aren't about convictions or guilt - simply a question of whether or not there's evidence to send a case to trial. The fact the officer was there and shot Brown (that part's undisputed) is more than enough for an indictment - the trial jury determines guilt NOT the grand jury.
Sorry, but that's just not true.
The purpose of the grand jury is to determine if there's enough evidence that a crime to warrant bringing charges.
The simple fact that Wilson shot Brown is nowhere close to enough evidence for an indictment. If that were the case, every single use of deadly force anywhere would go to a jury trial.
The grand jury is that filter. It is a waste of everyone's time to bring charges when there's no evidence to support those charges.
I'll give another example - the Zimmerman/Martin case. Ever wonder why the prosecutor there chose to bring charges herself rather than go through the grand jury? Only she can answer, but based on the way the prosecution was utterly destroyed at trial, one can reasonably assume it was because the state felt there was a real chance the GJ would not indict.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:15 pm to Projectpat
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I expected store owners to defend themselves a lot better.
When it burns you collect the insurance check then retire to someplace warmer.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:19 pm to Prof
Honest question, are you high on the pots right now?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:23 pm to Rebelgator
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Honest question, are you high on the pots right now?
And you wonder why no one likes you
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:25 pm to Old Sarge
Did he say this or not?
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he fact the officer was there and shot Brown (that part's undisputed) is more than enough for an indictment - the trial jury determines guilt NOT the grand jury.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:30 pm to Rebelgator
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Honest question, are you high on the pots right now?
Well, I am an East, Tennessean and I did grow up in one of the largest distribution towns in Amurrica but ironically I don't smoke the devil's cabbage. Hell, I rarely drink.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:38 pm to Rebelgator
Like I tell my kids, sometimes it's not what you say, it's how you say it
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:48 pm to Old Sarge
Posted on 11/25/14 at 2:52 pm to Numberwang
Eh RG, not sure what part of the trial jury determining guilt you don't understand. A grand jury doesn't convict and convictions determine guilt.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:02 pm to Prof
The part where the shooting is enough for anything. By that logic, there should be a trial for the guy who shot one of the Boston Bombers or that guy at FSU last week too.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:14 pm to Numberwang
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shite's getting real in Fayetteville.
If they really gave a shite, they would have been in Ferguson last night. They should load up and go tonight. I'm sure they will make bunches of friends and have a real hootenanny.
These people weren't beaten enough as children. Seriously.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:14 pm to Rebelgator
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Rebelgator
I never said it was enough for conviction but there are two undisputed facts that are more than enough to kick it to trial where the real work is done.
You realize that this year over 9 MILLION indictments have been handed down by Grand Juries and only 11 non-indictments? Again a Grand Jury's isn't there to convict at all.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:24 pm to Prof
Well, had the race baiters not been out in force this wouldn't have had to go before a grand jury.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 3:27 pm to Prof
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You realize that this year over 9 MILLION indictments have been handed down by Grand Juries and only 11 non-indictments? Again a Grand Jury's isn't there to convict at all.
Where did you get that statistic from? Every county in every state has a grand jury that meets weekly or monthly and not every case gets indicted. We no billed more than 1 or 2 a month just in our county
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