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Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:06 pm to Prof
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:06 pm to Prof
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C'mon - we all know how easy it is to get a Grand Jury indictment and yet nothing.
Prosecutors don't like going to trial with a case he knows he can't win.
Everyone knew what would happen if there wasn't an indictment, and yet still no indictment. Tells me the evidence was overwhelming in favor of the officer.
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:06 pm to Prof
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I know it would've been unlikely to get guilty verdict but I respectfully disagree with you about a simple indictment. That part should've been easy. The indicting a ham sandwich joke isn't far from the truth.
The fact one didn't come down should be evidence enough for you. I understand your point, my lawyer wife was a bit surprised by this as well. There was just overwhelming evidence nothing illegal happened to the point a Grand Jury didn't indite. I have no issue with you disagreeing on that point.
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But yeah the militarization of police, poor relationships, socio-economic problems etc. were on full display and unfortunately our media didn't do a damn thing to educate the public about them.
That's the real failing. The mass media played to our lesser demons for ratings instead of exploring the actual issues driving the protests. It's the memory of Trayvon Martin (that case probably should have yielded a conviction imho). It's the broken relationship between law enforcement and the inner city. This Brown kid just happened to be a trigger.
The underlying causes are begging for a respectful discussion, but it's easier to get ratings playing to the racism of AAs and the racism of white people.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:08 pm to Prof
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The indicting a ham sandwich joke isn't far from the truth.
You're missing the correct application of the saying in this instance. The ferguson grand jury voting to not indict in their secret ballots means that there wasn't any chance in heck of a conviction.
In other words a ham sandwich has more evidence against it in Michael Browns death and a better chance of being found guilty than Darren Wilson did.
I've been on a grand jury if there is evidence to support charges, you vote to indict.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:10 pm to DocHoliday11
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I actually do have a problem with it... Its not just a piece of fabric they are burning it's a symbol for who we are...but I don't want to argue about it so I'll just say that I know a good number of people of various backgrounds who were not happy with the pictures floating around of them burning the flag
Agreed ... 110%.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:12 pm to Old Sarge
Indictments aren't about convictions or guilt - simply a question of whether or not there's evidence to send a case to trial. The fact the officer was there and shot Brown (that part's undisputed) is more than enough for an indictment - the trial jury determines guilt NOT the grand jury.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:16 pm to Prof
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whether or not there's evidence to send a case to trial.
whether or not there's evidence OF A CRIME COMMITTED BY THE PERSON to send a case to trial.
You don't sit on the grand jury and decide if a store was robbed, you decide if there is evidence for the govt to prove that a certain individual robbed it
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:18 pm to Prof
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but part of me is still a dreamer that wants it to be better than it is.
Well, we all want it better for our kids and future generations.
In short, I blame the parents.........and Auburn
Keep Dreaming Prof, it's what got us here, maybe it will keep us going
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:19 pm to Old Sarge
Again the evidence is that Brown was shot and killed by the officer. That's more than enough for an indictment. Guilt is for trial juries. However, there's evidence for an indictment.
In contrast, the federal system works differently and is more exploratory. The state system however is not.
In contrast, the federal system works differently and is more exploratory. The state system however is not.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:22 pm to AmericusDawg
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Well, we all want it better for our kids and future generations.
In short, I blame the parents.........and Auburn
Keep Dreaming Prof, it's what got us here, maybe it will keep us going
I'll blame gators then (gotta cover all of them). Your good peeps Americus
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:22 pm to Prof
But if it was in defense of himself then there was no crime.
Grand juries choose not to indict citizens and police offers alike when they take a life but do not committ a crime in doing so.
Brown being shot wasn't a crime, there was no eveidence that it was a crime, so how could a grand jury recommend Wilson be charged with a crime if they determined there was no crime committed and no evidence of a crime?
Grand juries choose not to indict citizens and police offers alike when they take a life but do not committ a crime in doing so.
Brown being shot wasn't a crime, there was no eveidence that it was a crime, so how could a grand jury recommend Wilson be charged with a crime if they determined there was no crime committed and no evidence of a crime?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:25 pm to Prof
You indict if there is dispute about material evidence... The grand jury met 25 times for over 70 hours.. There was no dispute
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:27 pm to Old Sarge
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Brown being shot wasn't a crime, there was no eveidence that it was a crime, so how could a grand jury recommend Wilson be charged with a crime if they determined there was no crime committed and no evidence of a crime?
Because fuk yo logic, tbh.
/Ferguson
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:27 pm to Prof
Cases all the time are dismissed due to self defense. If all the evidence suggested that was the case then I don't have a problem with it. Until something comes out that shows me otherwise I'll believe the cop was justified.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:28 pm to TbirdSpur2010
What are doing here? You should be busy apologizing to the wifey
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:29 pm to Prof
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I'll blame gators then (gotta cover all of them).
We're too far from the situation to be a factor...Blame South Carolina, or Ohio State
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:32 pm to Old Sarge
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But if it was in defense of himself then there was no crime.
Grand juries choose not to indict citizens and police offers alike when they take a life but do not committ a crime in doing so.
Brown being shot wasn't a crime, there was no eveidence that it was a crime, so how could a grand jury recommend Wilson be charged with a crime if they determined there was no crime committed and no evidence of a crime?
You're placing a much higher bar on grand juries than there is. You say that it wasn't a crime - THAT is for a trial jury to determine (and likely would've determined that) but NOT for the Grand Jury to determine.
Grand Juries choose not to indict when there's no evidence. Say I call the cops and tell them Sarge is a poopoo head who shot my dog that goes to a Grand Jury and the Grand Jury determines I don't even know Sarge nor has Sarge ever been in my area. No indictment. However, if you live in my area and were seen near my dog = likely indictment because that's enough to say - yeah a jury should look at this. That's it - that is their entire job. UNLESS they're federal.
What the trial jury does from there is determine whether or not you did anything.
An Indictment or Charge is not evidence of guilt nor is supposed to be - that is a fundamental misunderstanding of our legal system and the presumption of innocence at trial.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:33 pm to KajunGator
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We're too far from the situation to be a factor...Blame South Carolina, or Ohio State
I'll go with tOSU then - they're usually to blame.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:38 pm to Prof
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:39 pm to Old Sarge
Posted on 11/25/14 at 1:40 pm to Prof
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You say that it wasn't a crime
I'm saying that 12 citizens of Ferguson spent 70 hours and met 25 times and found no evidence of a crime.
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