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Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:32 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Incorrect
No, it's not. People from western Europe don't want to live here and don't love this country. Same for Australia, Canada, and a plethora of other countries. Those countries are also just as good as this one. Maybe even better.
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:33 pm to Prof
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how easy it is to get a Grand Jury indictment and yet nothing
You don't get it, it's only easy if you have the evidence to back it up. A grand jury deliberates, evaluates the evidence, and votes secretly all without the participation of the DA who is not allowed in the room.
12 citizens of Ferguson felt there was no cause to charge Wilson on any of the 5 charges. All the DA does is put the evidence and witnesses in the room and educate the jury on the applicable law
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:34 pm to Prof
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And after hearing that prosecutor's freaky arse press conference I wonder if he even tried.
I would assume he presented so much evidence because he knew there was not a snowballs chance in hell to get a conviction. Can you imagine this lingering for 6-12 more months.....then a Not Guilty verdict.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:35 pm to Old Sarge
The main thread getting deleted is worse than pussification of football.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:36 pm to CatFan81
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No, it's not.
Yes it is.
I've lived in Europe
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:37 pm to skirpnasty
The main thread?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:37 pm to AmericusDawg
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I would assume he presented so much evidence because he knew there was not a snowballs chance in hell to get a conviction. Can you imagine this lingering for 6-12 more months.....then a Not Guilty verdict.
This is exactly what happened. The eyewitness accounts that were fabricated were completely busted. It happened the way Wilson describes it and the witnesses whose testimony never changed alon with the evidence backed it up.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:40 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Yes it is.
Not from my experiences and the friends that I have from there.
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I've lived in Europe
And I have friends who live there and have lived there their entire lives aside from college. They couldn't disagree with you more.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:41 pm to Prof
Whether it went to trial or not the riot was inevitable... They would have had a "celebration riot"... No one puts a bandana/hoodie over their face in hopes of a peaceful protest...
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:44 pm to CatFan81
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Not from my experiences and the friends that I have from there.
Ditto.
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And I have friends who live there and have lived there their entire lives aside from college. They couldn't disagree with you more.
Again, ditto
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:45 pm to Old Sarge
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The eyewitness accounts that were fabricated were completely busted
Yep. I thought he did well describing 70 hours of testimony into 10 minutes. The damning evidence would be the accounts from witnesses stating Brown was the aggressor.....but that is not news worthy and would not fit the media's agenda.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:45 pm to DocHoliday11
UPDATE: 29 arrests at the main protest (60 surrounding the area supposedly).. My gf said she saw one reporter quote closer to 90 but I dunno
Multiple cops hit with bricks
One cop was shot in the arm. He will be okay (reports say not sure if related to ferguson case. Yeah okay)
Multiple cops hit with bricks
One cop was shot in the arm. He will be okay (reports say not sure if related to ferguson case. Yeah okay)
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Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:49 pm to DocHoliday11
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Whether it went to trial or not the riot was inevitable... They would have had a "celebration riot"... No one puts a bandana/hoodie over their face in hopes of a peaceful protest...
People on the ground are frustrated as hell and I'm seeing Guy Fawkes masks and Anarchists there so yeah pretty good chance it would all fall to hell either way. Too many groups have coopted what's going there. But as an outsider I'm more interested in the integrity of the judicial system and not even returning an indictment is just wow, especially given how easy it is to get an indictment.
I'd feel a lot better if this had at least went to trial regardless of whatever verdict might've been returned.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:51 pm to Prof
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Eh the unrest is bad but the fact they didn't even indict this dude is worse. C'mon - we all know how easy it is to get a Grand Jury indictment and yet nothing. They didn't even send it to trial. And after hearing that prosecutor's freaky arse press conference I wonder if he even tried.
I'm sure he tried. We all knew the result of a non-conviction or the officer not being indicted. He went through great effort to explain the evidence and it illustrated well why there wasn't an indictment, even considering the low standard for an indictment.
What happen there is reflective of the poor relationship of police and inner city communities. It showed the militarization of police and how both the protesters and police are at a point where escalation appears the only tactic. There's so many social and economic issues at play and what this case represents. It's sad instead of getting a dialogue going, the racists turned it into a race and only smashed another wedge in the divide.
At least the media got some burning buildings. Am I rite?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:53 pm to AmericusDawg
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witnesses stating Brown was the aggressor.....but that is not news worthy and would not fit the media's agenda.
We even saw a clear example of this when his partner in the store robbery. Changed his story from, shot multiple times in back while running away, to all the shots were fired while brown was on his knees execution style. I even remember his story involving a statement that no shots were ever fired near or in the vehicle.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:53 pm to DownSouthJukin
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I guess that's why all of our road signs are in Cherokee, huh?
I take it you've never heard of Tennessee (Tanasi) or been anywhere near the Great Smokey Mtns?
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:55 pm to Prof
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But as an outsider I'm more interested in the integrity of the judicial system
I love you Prof, but this made me laugh. Not that I think you believe the 12 citizens of Ferguson made a mistake in the damning evidence against Brown, but that you put Integrity and Judicial system in the same sentence.
OJ, Auburn, Casey Anthony, and the hundreds of others that we never hear about because the media can't sale or spin it. Hey, if the glove don't fit.......
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:57 pm to Duke
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I'm sure he tried. We all knew the result of a non-conviction or the officer not being indicted. He went through great effort to explain the evidence and it illustrated well why there wasn't an indictment, even considering the low standard for an indictment.
What happen there is reflective of the poor relationship of police and inner city communities. It showed the militarization of police and how both the protesters and police are at a point where escalation appears the only tactic. There's so many social and economic issues at play and what this case represents. It's sad instead of getting a dialogue going, the racists turned it into a race and only smashed another wedge in the divide.
At least the media got some burning buildings. Am I rite?
That's all the media ever shows up for and oh laws if it's a brown person burning something - even better.
But yeah the militarization of police, poor relationships, socio-economic problems etc. were on full display and unfortunately our media didn't do a damn thing to educate the public about them.
I know it would've been unlikely to get guilty verdict but I respectfully disagree with you about a simple indictment. That part should've been easy. The indicting a ham sandwich joke isn't far from the truth.
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:59 pm to AmericusDawg
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AmericusDawg
Fair enough. It's weird I'm usually the first to talk about how corrupt our legal system is but part of me is still a dreamer that wants it to be better than it is. And you're right that was funny when pointed out.
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